2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[thetruepandagod]

I'll be in the Portland area so I should be pretty safe.

Careful, the white girls get rather large and aggressive round those parts.

[Ezek]

I'm in Korea so I'm more concerned about the protests & potential riots from the Korean nationals because of their government being run by the illuminati vs Clinton or Trump winning.

[thetruepandagod]

I'm in Korea so I'm more concerned about the protests & potential riots from the Korean nationals because of their government being run by the illuminati vs Clinton or Trump winning.

Korean nationalist uprising now.

Spoiler: show

[Boyiee]

Well those are extremely sad wish I didn't read them before bed.

[thetruepandagod]

I too am sad, for I could not find the girl who said everything will end in fire, or the one who said death is a way out.

[Aerin]

Fox news is reporting that the person detained by police at the Trump rally was simply holding a sign that said "Republicans Against Trump." As he was making his way towards the front someone thought he was reaching near his waist and shouted "Gun" several times. No gun was found.

Also, ran into this story about Trump kicking out his own supporter. Not sure how I missed that one, was only a little over a week ago.

Cary, in a phone interview Saturday with The Washington Post, said he had gone to the rally because he wanted to hand-deliver a note to the Republican presidential nominee. He made his way to about 20 to 30 feet from the stage and was shouting “Donald!” while waving his note around to try to catch his attention.

“Everyone else is waving Trump signs and I'm waving this white letter,” Cary, 63, said. He said that, coupled with the fact that he was wearing sunglasses [while black] during an evening rally to deal with his sensitivity to light, may have been what set people off.

That's when Trump's crowd turned on him, and Cary was removed from [the crowd].

[Meian]

the only good thing one can say about CNN is that it is not near as biased as Fox or MSNBC and does not so often peddle in manipulative deceit. all the cable news networks are garbage oriented towards entertainment however.

Pretty much is what I am referring to as to why I watch it over the others.

Been seeing a lot of anti-hillary commercials the recent weeks on it.

[Quicklet]

Pretty much is what I am referring to as to why I watch it over the others.

Been seeing a lot of anti-hillary commercials the recent weeks on it.

I've actually not been a fan of CNN this cycle. They've been chasing ratings more than journalism for a while now (I think the tipping point was the Malaysian airline disappearance) -- nothing says journalistic integrity like hiring a guy in Lewandowski who was still getting paid and consulting with his boss (and yes, I understand that to an extent this is an issue with Democratic surrogates too -- I'd wish they tighten up the standards for both sides, but IMO this cycle has been particularly bad).

[Viserdes]

frontline's 2016 election documentary has been my favorite piece of journalism this round, its very unbiased and only provides facts and some different views not offered by the major outlets.

[Aerin]

Yeah I try to watch CNN mostly because it seems the most balanced/neutral. That being said, it is sometimes really hard to watch. I swear even if Clinton was ahead by 9+ points still, if it moved to +8 on the day before election day, all they'd be talking about all day is "BREAKING NEWS: POLLS ARE TIGHTENING." Yesterday their "Poll of Polls" moved up 1 point to +5 for Clinton and they barely talked about it at all. Today it moved down to +3 and it was brought up every 10 minutes.

[kisada]

I've actually not been a fan of CNN this cycle. They've been chasing ratings more than journalism for a while now (I think the tipping point was the Malaysian airline disappearance) -- nothing says journalistic integrity like hiring a guy in Lewandowski who was still getting paid and consulting with his boss (and yes, I understand that to an extent this is an issue with Democratic surrogates too -- I'd wish they tighten up the standards for both sides, but IMO this cycle has been particularly bad).

i'd agree with this pretty much entirely.

[Krandor]

That's not necessarily a fault of CNN, it's more the nature of the beast with all forms of media these days. Ridiculous headlines and click bait articles designed to draw in viewers/readers, regardless of how mundane or inconsequential the actual content may be. With these networks and websites survival dependent on bringing in eyes, it's unfortunately just the way things work and will continue to for the foreseeable future. We've seen it strongly escalate with TV news due to the increased rate of cord cutting, with all networks struggling to keep ratings numbers up.

It likely has a large factor in how so many stories about Trump (and Hillary if we're talking about more right leaning sources) just seem to get brushed to the side. Every action he makes and every word he says is so overwhelmingly blown out of proportion and thrown at the public from every angle that when actual legitimate stories come around, it just gets lumped in with all the sensationalized bullshit and largely ignored.

[kisada]

going back to the nevada stuff: listening to the 538 podcast for today (hilariously occurring at the same time nate silver was dropping his tweet shit storm on ryan grim), and they're talking about the jon rolston stuff. seem convinced at how convinced he is with his expectations lol.

[Aerin]

Gonna bring up some more healthcare stuff because I find it interesting and it's still pertinent to the election, and because reading this just makes me think Mitch McConnell is even more of an ass.

So, I didn't know that back on October 1, 2013 (when the healthcare exchanges first went online) Kentucky actually had a Democratic Governor that had taken a decent amount of time and effort to get the exchanges up and running for his state. Kentucky has their own system called Kynect for the exchanges and wasn't tied to the one the federal government made that had all the horrible crashes. Kynect was actually a success story, when the exchanges went up they didn't have hardly any problems at all and were able to monitor everything happening on their site through their dashboard.

By midnight on March 31 [2014], Kentucky had enrolled an astounding 370,829 people out of 630,000 uninsured Kentuckians, or 58 percent.

...

In fact, by the end of July, so many more people had signed up for Medicaid ... that 521,000 Kentuckians - 12 percent of the state's population - were now covered under Obamacare. Everyone in Kentucky probably had benefited from, or knew someone who had benefited from, the law that McConnell had fought from the beginning.

So where does McConnell come in in all of this?

Nonetheless, for Kentucky's two leading Republicans, kynect was all about Obamacare and Obama. Perhaps oblivious to what their constituents on the ground were experiencing, Senators Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul went on the attack with an op-ed column in the Louisville Courier-Journal the morning the Browns enrolled.

Their piece, entitled "Kentuckians Not Buying Obamacare," said the new law would lead to layoffs, higher taxes, and people losing their current health plans.

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In late May [2014], Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky told a reporter for the Louisville newspaper LEO Weekly that he favored repealing Obamacare - but wanted to keep his home state's now popular kynect.

Kynect was, of course, Obamacare - enabled by Obamacare's Medicaid expansion, the individual mandate, and the premium subsidies.

[myreality]

In late May [2014], Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky told a reporter for the Louisville newspaper LEO Weekly that he favored repealing Obamacare - but wanted to keep his home state's now popular kynect.

Kynect was, of course, Obamacare - enabled by Obamacare's Medicaid expansion, the individual mandate, and the premium subsidies.

I don't know, this seems that he knows Obamacare being a taboo word which causes people to hesitate if not loath the system no matter how beneficial. So tell people they are getting rid of Obamacare and putting this successful Kynect (which uses Obamacare) in its place. People are retarded and far to caught up in names, they did not research the ACA and they will not research Kynect. Everybody wins.

[Tyche]

I live in KY. Kynect was a YUGE success. Kentucky signed up more people in the first 6 weeks I think? Than the national site. A lot of effort went into it. It worked great. Most Kentuckians approved of Kynect, but still disapproved of Obamacare. To be fair, the previous governor put all his cards into Kynect, as it was his last term. He spent a ton on marketing and development, and rolled out a phenomenal exchange.

Regardless, despite Kentucky having quite a good run of democratic governors, did the incredibly stupid fucking thing of electing Matt Bevin (if you want to talk polling errors, his opponent Conway went into election day with about a 5 point lead iirc). Bevin has completely wiped out Kynect, which was pretty much the ideal model for a state exchange. Starting in January, Kentuckians have to enroll in federal exchange.

[Aerin]

McConnell didn't want Kynect either, but he was up for reelection in 2014 and saw that it was a popular thing so he didn't want to speak against it. It's really unfortunate the federal exchange launch was so bad since it made Obamacare in general look bad.

Did KY spend any of its own money on kynect? This says they spent less than $154 million of the $254 million Washington made available to LY for building the site and marketing it. Which is pretty good.

Edit: I'll also say that McConnell has continued to say Obamacare should be repealed. But if that were to happen he'd be harming a fair amount of his own state and a lot of people wouldn't realize it until it's too late. I'm sure some would think they'd replace it with something but they've had 8 years to come up with something and so far it's only been about repeal. If you simply repeal it and wait to replace it, you're going to have a lot of people suffering in that interim with no timetable for when it would be fixed... again.

[Fiye]

[Cail]

Well, that's creepy

[Kincard]

hey on the bright side, she'll be a rare non-Christian president