2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[Quicklet]

So Hillary is either brain damaged, incompetent, or a liar. I still cannot see why anyone besides Gredival would vote for her.

Because while Hillary might possess one of those traits, her opponent certainly possesses all three.

[Qeomash]

Because not voting for her is going to put someone significantly worse in office.

I'm still bitter about the primary. I 100% don't want Trump to be president, but my desire to not have Hilary be president is a solid 95%. Getting anything out of the second Clinton white house as far as FOIA and the like is going to be nearly impossible.

This sort of thing worries me a great deal: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...s-press-227700

Hillary Clinton, rarely seen, rarely heard

Hillary Clinton has never felt comfortable with the traveling political press.

As first lady, she would sometimes arrange travel for herself and Chelsea separate from her husband, partly to avoid the protective pool of reporters assigned to the president. In 2008, she “fought tooth and nail,” former aides said, to avoid sharing the plane with her press corps and relented only when her campaign was running out of money and had to either bring the reporters on board or downgrade to commercial.

And in 2016, with plenty of cash and a winning position in the race, Clinton has managed to keep the press at arm’s length – preserving her private plane as a refuge where the only people around are her trusted campaign aides.

That changes on Labor Day, when the reporters and their press-leery candidate will for the first time board a “Stronger Together”-wrapped 737 from New York to Ohio to Iowa, and remain flying companions for the final stretch of the campaign.

Her team insists Clinton is on board with the set-up, despite her distrust of the national media. "She does understand that there is very good reason why it's important for everyone to be together in the thick of a general election,” said her traveling spokesman Nick Merrill. “We're going wrap the plane in blue and get on it together. There's a desire to be efficient and be able to do things a little more impromptu.”

But closer quarters are no guarantee of a new level of access. “The times she'll go back and schmooze will be few and far between,” predicted one longtime Clinton ally. “She'll send other people back there, instead.”

Indeed, trailing Clinton since she has become the Democratic nominee has been less about developing a relationship with the candidate and more like a sensory deprivation experience.

When she’s speaking at a fundraiser, reporters camped outside can sometimes hear a muffled voice but can rarely make out her actual words. When she’s greeting voters at a coffee shop or on a rope line after a rally, the former secretary of state often looks right through the reporters hovering around her, like they don’t exist. And when she does acknowledge their physical presence, she smiles through the questions barked at her and encourages reporters to sample a coffee, or a chocolate, instead.

[Gredival]

I'm still bitter about the primary. I 100% don't want Trump to be president, but my desire to not have Hilary be president is a solid 95%.

Good to know SCOTUS, climate change, raising the minimum wage, religious, sexual harassment, religious persecution, national origin discrimination, housing segregation is only 5% of difference between Trump and Clinton.

[Byrthnoth]

You're failing to weigh those against Donald Trump's long, storied history of creating unpaid jobs and shamelessly self-promoting.

[Guyverarmor]

Good to know SCOTUS, climate change, raising the minimum wage, religious, sexual harassment, religious persecution, national origin discrimination, housing segregation is only 5% of difference between Trump and Clinton.

It's almost like people who are against Hilldog do NOT see these areas other than "Hurr durr Hillary and her e-mails."

[Day]

Do we really think Hillary is going to fix climate change, sexual harrasment or any of that other vague general shit you just listed? Sorry left all my hope for change somewhere between 08 and 16.

[Day]

The best argument for Hillary is "shes not Donald" lmao

[Krandor]

Do we really think Hillary is going to fix climate change, sexual harrasment or any of that other vague general shit you just listed? Sorry left all my hope for change somewhere between 08 and 16.

She will if her donors tell her to

[Niiro]

Word, I mean what with all that quid pro quo legislation she's supported in the past and all those shady policy decisions she's made.

Right?

[archibaldcrane]

Do we really think Hillary is going to fix climate change, sexual harrasment or any of that other vague general shit you just listed? Sorry left all my hope for change somewhere between 08 and 16.

Are we pretending that Obama didn't sign onto the Paris Climate talks?

[Krandor]

I guess being the Labor is a step up from being a Super Predator.

[Ksandra]

Do we really think Hillary is going to fix climate change, sexual harrasment or any of that other vague general shit you just listed? Sorry left all my hope for change somewhere between 08 and 16.

Fix? No. Make progress towards fixing? Yes.

[Day]

Are we pretending that Obama didn't sign onto the Paris Climate talks?

Im not are you?

[Ksandra]

Sorry left all my hope for change somewhere between 08 and 16.

Actually, I think your whole entire argument in this thread has been about wanting hope for change and upset with reality sinking in.

[Day]

My b for expecting more out of our elected public servants.

[Dantrag]

My b for expecting more out of our elected public servants.

We all know the president has limited powers. I think Obama's biggest fuck up was trying to be so middle ground while they had power for his first 2 years. After that, you can only really blame republicans who stonewalled and were "No to Obama even if it's one of our ideas."

[Qeomash]

Good to know SCOTUS, climate change, raising the minimum wage, religious, sexual harassment, religious persecution, national origin discrimination, housing segregation is only 5% of difference between Trump and Clinton.

Do we really think Hillary is going to fix climate change, sexual harrasment or any of that other vague general shit you just listed? Sorry left all my hope for change somewhere between 08 and 16.

* SCOTUS: the only reason I want her to win. But her pick will still be someone without much teeth to get anything done.
* She wants to raise the minimum wage because it gets her easy votes. It took Sanders to push her to $15.
* sexual harassment, religious persecution, national origin discrimination, housing segregation: what is she going to do about any of this, really? She'll make some motivational speeches she didn't write and call it good.

The best argument for Hillary is "shes not Donald" lmao

It's almost like people who are against Hilldog do NOT see these areas other than "Hurr durr Hillary and her e-mails."

Only thing wrong with the emails is that it's clear she did it entirely to avoid FOIA requests. She's as paranoid as Nixon about people finding out what she's up to.

[Gredival]

* She wants to raise the minimum wage because it gets her easy votes. It took Sanders to push her to $15.

She supported $10/12 without him. But clearly she's just as horrible as the guy that wants to repeal minimum wage's very existence because she doesn't want to raise it as far.

* sexual harassment religious persecution, national origin discrimination, housing segregation: what is she going to do about any of this, really? She'll make some motivational speeches she didn't write and call it good.

Basically if you have ever been fed up with Republicans going "THANKS OBAMA" or "What has Obama done?" then, by default, you should support any Democratic President because they will do things that make an impact in these areas as a simple matter of course.

The very fact they acknowledge these are issues that must be addressed is important; the way the GOP denies that things are issues is a problem in and of itself because that denial means they move to strike down regulations and laws because the problem is non-existent (see climate change regulations, employment regulations, etc. under the Bush 43 era)

- sexual harassment: SCOTUS Justices that won't issue decisions that gut Title VII (which has happened three times in the past five years); actually believing it's a thing that exists and is important; being willing to pass legislation like the Ledbetter act; not sending the message that this is okay by hiring people who should be disgraced for sexual harassment to top advisor positions.

- religious persecution: Not trying to ban Muslims from entering the country or creating a national data base.

- national origin discrimination: See above

- housing segregation: Not thinking it's fine for businesses to do what they want .

Only thing wrong with the emails is that it's clear she did it entirely to avoid FOIA requests. She's as paranoid as Nixon about people finding out what she's up to.

And given what has come out, where we've seen that the cover-up was 15x worse than the crime, that she wouldn't even pull strings to get a VISA approved for $13M+.... what are you scared of?

Person that constantly gets accused of scandals and corruption tired of people seeing imaginary smoke from imaginary wildfires and becomes extremely private? More at 11.

[Ksandra]

My b for expecting more out of our elected public servants.

I think it's important to expect more of our politicians, but all of that comes before the general election. Now comes deciding between the choices we were given.

[Galkaeater]

Do we really think Hillary is going to fix climate change, sexual harrasment or any of that other vague general shit you just listed? Sorry left all my hope for change somewhere between 08 and 16.

Gred belives Cnut could stop the tide coming in