2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[NynJa]

I heard it was 15000

[Boyiee]

Last I saw was 15k for Harambe.

[Fiye]

R/politics full of shade throwing holy shit.

[Day]

Who "suffers" most under Obamacare? People without employer sponsored insurance who make a little too much for subsidies.

i.e. Me and my family.

If you enact "guaranteed issue" (no denying for pre-existing conditions) only the sickest people sign up, premiums skyrocket, and you get a "death spiral".

So you need to stabilize the risk pool, and you do that with the individual mandate - requiring people (healthy people) to buy insurance to prevent the death spiral.

But the mandate is too big of a burden for the middle class, so you implement subsidies so they can afford it.

Guaranteed issue, individual mandate, subsidies. That's the 3-legged stool that is the private insurance market of Obamacare. Without any of the legs it collapses.

Or you tell people with pre-existing conditions to go fuck themselves. Or you implement single payer. Those are the options. Everything else is window dressing on the margins.

These millions of people with added insurance do not have coverage, they have some horrible plan with a deductible bigger than they will ever meet. The people "benefiting" the most are being supported by the taxpayer, while their premiums rise as well. I'm all for single payer, I wish we would just rip the bandaid off and do it. The overhead on these insurance companies alone must be astronomical. Lots of things need fixing. The pharmaceutical and Pharmacy Benefit Manager system is a hot fucking mess. We apply capitalism to a market with no competition due to regulation and red tape.

[Byrthnoth]

Ok, so if you get to keep one of Obama's biggest achievements, but the other 3 get scrapped, which do you keep?

1) Obamacare
2) Dodd-Frank and the Consumer Protection Bureau
3) The Iran nuclear deal
4) Our commitments under the Paris climate change accord

Choose 1 to keep

I would choose #4. The Paris Agreement doesn't go far enough, but if global warming hits runaway status it is probably going to have a much larger negative effect on America than the positive effects of Obamacare, finance reform, and the Iran nuclear deal.

We're past the point with climate change where it's some "100 years in the future" abstract threat. We are going to see substantial changes to the continental US coastline within our lifetime.

[Mertron]

I think crying doom and gloom is as unreasonable and childish as the people taking the "BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON!" stance as well.

The country isn't going to implode. The world won't end. Life will most likely end up slightly, but measurably, worse for minorities, women, and LGBT over the next 4 years, but life will go on.

Claims of apocalypse and the like belong in the fucking trash with blind idealism. People need to grow the fuck up.

i want to go back to making dumb jokes on facebook, but 1) i don't feel like it atm, and 2) too many people are really goddamn butthurt

[Boyiee]

What are we looking at btw, 5-10million less voters this year than every other election this century?

[Krandor]

What are we looking at btw, 5-10million less voters this year than every other election this century?

It's almost like running a campaign where your primary selling point is "I'm not the other person" leads to poor voter turnout.

[Byrthnoth]

What are we looking at btw, 5-10million less voters this year than every other election this century?

idk, Media seems skittish about analyzing the total vote number right now. Early predictions said we were 5% up from last election, but the current total on wikipedia is 7 mil down.

[Fiye]

Okay seriously is Gred okay?

[Krazy]

Been thinking about that whole The Berenstein/Berenstain Bears thing and have come to the conclusion that we're just in the parallel universe where Trump won.

[tyven]

I think you underestimate just how much Hillary was disliked and how much baggage she had. I think we can all agree maybe if you are under multiple FBI investigations prob not best to run for office.

there is no shortage of blame to be passed around but this is accurate as fuck, fam

[Galkaeater]

Only an r8

you will be remembered as the candidate who sacrificed his integrity for nothing

For an R8

[archibaldcrane]

These millions of people with added insurance do not have coverage, they have some horrible plan with a deductible bigger than they will ever meet. The people "benefiting" the most are being supported by the taxpayer, while their premiums rise as well. I'm all for single payer, I wish we would just rip the bandaid off and do it. The overhead on these insurance companies alone must be astronomical. Lots of things need fixing. The pharmaceutical and Pharmacy Benefit Manager system is a hot fucking mess. We apply capitalism to a market with no competition due to regulation and red tape.

I want to be clear - I support Obamacare only compared to the system it replaced. It could get a little bit better (increase the 3:1 age-banding, maybe allow some lower benefit plans without, say, mental health or maternity care, selling insurance across state lines, reinstate the risk corridor program [fuck you Marco Rubio]) but those would be marginal improvements at best.

I want single payer health care, and I also see no path for it politically, period. I can't in good conscience crap on Obamacare for being worse than single payer when I see no possibility for single payer being implemented. Feel free to accuse me of lacking imagination, but I don't see it.

[Mertron]

i hope newt gingrich sets up a private email server

[Deftscythe]

you will be remembered as the candidate who sacrificed his integrity for nothing

McCain already got that title my dude.

[Meph]

Been thinking about that whole The Berenstein/Berenstain Bears thing and have come to the conclusion that we're just in the parallel universe where Trump won.

Straight up Fringe. We are the bad universe that the good universe will fight with

[Byrthnoth]

Did you guys see her concession speech? Audio was terrible on the version I watched, but wow. 100% consistent with the tone of the campaign. Very classy, encouraged hope for the future, quoted scripture.

Starts around 44 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSPBjOnHTaM

Also, if Newt sets up a private e-mail server you'll never hear about it because no one actually gives a fuck.

[Sho]

Sho and I were saying this dude was a genius months ago. I'll be damned if he didn't pull it off.

Also, I just want to point out 11,000 people wrote in Harambe.

ELEVEN-THOUSAND.

Let that sink in a bit.

Yeah man, have to run it back. He really fucking did it. And I'll say it again -- the man is a genius and his overall campaign will be researched for many years to come.

The Harambe write-ins speaks in volumes of just how much the electorate is changing as well.

[Tyche]