2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[archibaldcrane]

With 99% reporting, Hillary won the popular vote by 208,000.

[Byrthnoth]

We could pretend the Democrats will learn from that and filibuster the shit out of repeals and everything, but we know they won't and we know the Republicans will likely abuse fast track. This is the first time we've had a Republican Prez+Senate+House post-tea party.

[Fiye]

Democrats officially worst at winning.

Edit: I would doubt that Byrthnoth. You have a strong progressive leaning democratic party that's about ready to jump down this opportunity and I'm pretty sure between Berniecrats and Warren we'll see some filibustering.

Democrats definitely not going quietly into the night.

[Byrthnoth]

If that's 99% of the votes, it was officially the lowest election turnout since 2000 (Bush vs. Gore). We don't have the Census bureau report yet, but this could well end up being a tale of the minorities who stayed home (like, proportionally, every midterm election).

[Quicklet]

If that's 99% of the votes, it was officially the lowest election turnout since 2000 (Bush vs. Gore). We don't have the Census bureau report yet, but this could well end up being a tale of the minorities who stayed home (like, proportionally, every midterm election).

Wonder how much of an effect voter suppression and repeal of VRA protections had in places like WI and FL.

[archibaldcrane]

I don't think WI or FL (or MI or PA) were under strict scrutiny for VRA that was rescinded.

[Zealot]

The VRA applied strict scrutiny primarily to former Confederate states due to their history of abuses.

[kisada]

i don't think it's a stretch to say voter suppression efforts and the VRA being lifted made a pretty huge difference. probably that combined the last second comey thing would've been the difference, among many other potential and close factors.

it sucks cause there are so many things that i want to blame. everything probably has some share. but at the end of the day, voter enthusiasm needs to be strong enough to power through all the bullshit so you have cushion to fight off these extraneous factors. and it just seems to me, that in the time voter enthusiasm from minorities and young people and people who actually needed to give was needed the most, it fell way short. and that makes me sad in thinking that obama might forever be the exception to courting those groups, no matter who else our nominee is.

[archibaldcrane]

Trump got fewer votes in Wisconsin than Mitt Romney did in 2012.

Mitt Romney lost Wisconsin by 7%.

[archibaldcrane]

Updated poll numbers

231,556,622 eligible voters

46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted for Clinton
25.5% voted for Trump
1.7% voted for Johnson

[Fiye]

Voter suppression made the different in Wisconsin and NC. Effects were likely exacerbated by low Democrat enthusiasm.

In other news NC's governor race is going to be going to recount. Apparently they're within 5 thousand votes and the incumbent hasn't conceded.

[Olo401]

Wonder how much of an effect voter suppression and repeal of VRA protections had in places like WI and FL.

I don't think WI or FL (or MI or PA) were under strict scrutiny for VRA that was rescinded.

The VRA applied strict scrutiny primarily to former Confederate states due to their history of abuses.

There's no question in my mind that it played a major factor in North Carolina. Wisconsin was a victim of the same thing that flipped the other Midwestern industrial states.

This is probably the most significant analysis of what happened in that regard (from NYT).

[Katlan]

Those statistics are super depressing

[kisada]

i will forever wonder if clinton going after arizona was too greedy of a tactic. like if they never spent time there and instead just re-upped on places like florida, NC, and PA, would it have been the difference? would that have even mattered?

[Mertron]

the only thing left that i want is for obama to come out every day and say Donald trump isn't a real billionaire, and demand he release his long form tax returns

[archibaldcrane]

Lol https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...38556504494082

[myreality]

[archibaldcrane]

Mitt Romney in 2012 got more votes than either candidate.

[archibaldcrane]

And so did John McCain in 2008, barely I believe.

[kisada]

jesus christ gimme some romney right now