2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[GoggleHead]

Well McConnell already said no to the first thing lol term limits. But he's totally down with stuff like repealing obamacare

How great would it be if Trump turned around and said "Fuck you, I'm vetoing every single bill for the next four years unless you get that one to my desk." He won't, but that's legit the only way I see term limits ever being implemented.

[NynJa]

Yup, reported by a small but legit newspaper, but no video so fake? Get the fuck out.

Hes trying to take a shot at me because i said "how come none of these people who saw a trump supporter tell a mexican guy to get out of their america" was filmed. Theres hundreds of people claiming stories on social media, and no one has even an aftermath video of "this trump supporter told this guy to get of his america, shits goin downnnn".

Too bad he has no guns to take a shot with.
I can go on twitter and post "clinton supporters in canada just told a bunch of white males to get out of canada and go to the united states with the rest of the redneck bigots". I can go on twitter and say "someone decked out on 'clinton for pres' gear just told me to go back to canada, that im not welcome there for being a white male".

My point is, if someone actually said that shit to someone, the other person would probably talk shit back, and there would be a loud verbal, and possibly physical altercation. These same people are the fuckin flash with their cameraphones when it comes to police abuse, or patriarchal oppression, but when its trump supporters spitting out racist shit, not one of them are able to catch a smidge of the incident? Like i said, i dont doubt its happening, but for something thats happening "all over america", someone among the 300 million americans have got to have something to show instead of "their word".

[Marootsoobutsu]

How great would it be if Trump turned around and said "Fuck you, I'm vetoing every single bill for the next four years unless you get that one to my desk." He won't, but that's legit the only way I see term limits ever being implemented.

I could totally see Trump doing that. He has no real love for the Republican Party, and pushing things through like that would be a very in his abrasive style.

[Quicklet]

How great would it be if Trump turned around and said "Fuck you, I'm vetoing every single bill for the next four years unless you get that one to my desk." He won't, but that's legit the only way I see term limits ever being implemented.

Trump won't do that. As long as he gets to enrich himself and feel popular, he won't give a shit about what Congress actually does.

He's going to be an absolute disaster and it's crazy how many people are still in denial about this.

[Niiro]

It would be almost poetic to see the Republican party obstruct itself out of existence, but yea that's just a fantasy.

[kisada]

Trump won't do that. As long as he gets to enrich himself and feel popular, he won't give a shit about what Congress actually does.

He's going to be an absolute disaster and it's crazy how many people are still in denial about this.

"aww, give him a chance. i promise you won't be disappointed." - almost every white trump supporter on my facebook page yesterday. not even a joke

[FNH]

He's going to be an absolute disaster and it's crazy how many people are still in denial about this.

I think it's funny that everyone gets to walk in the others shoes for a presidential term. Dems hailed Obama as the bringer of hope and change, and republicans feared him as the harbinger of doom and destruction. If I was old enough I'd probably say that's how every regime change was presented.

[Headspace]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/10...-campaign.html

Hilary's senior campaign advisors are so dumb.


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[Marootsoobutsu]

"aww, give him a chance. i promise you won't be disappointed." - almost every white trump supporter on my facebook page yesterday. not even a joke

No joke-- I have low expectations of Trump, but I still want to give him a legitimate chance to prove me wrong. I had the same reaction to President Obama. Everyone should-- I'm not saying give in to his wishes or whatever, but I would much rather me be entirely wrong and Trump be an amazing President, than me be right and Trump run the country into the ground.

[tyven]

More like three decades.

I heard senate minority leader will be Chuck Schumer? That seems like a terrible idea for trying to galvanize for 2018, where dems are hilariously actually on fucking defense for the senate.

Chuck Schumer is a deal maker which is exactly what the Dems need right now. Successful governing is the only thing that is going to save Blue seats in 2018.

This fuckbag Harry Reid blocked bipartisan legislation (that had already overwhelmingly passed the house) designed to protect seniors from financial exploitation from going to the floor because he didn't want R's to be able to point to a legislative victory before the election.

[Quicklet]

I think it's funny that everyone gets to walk in the others shoes for a presidential term. Dems hailed Obama as the bringer of hope and change, and republicans feared him as the harbinger of doom and destruction. If I was old enough I'd probably say that's how every regime change was presented.

If you had elected almost anyone else, you might have a point. You just elected an authoritarian thug who will screw over the people who got him elected and then try to blame it on anyone but himself. But don't take my word at it -- you will get to see for yourself soon enough.

[tyven]

also, AG is as good as Rudy's. God I fucking hate Trey Gowdy, fucking scumbag walking soundbyte that can't legislate for shit.

[Quicklet]

Chuck Schumer is a deal maker which is exactly what the Dems need right now. Successful governing is the only thing that is going to save Blue seats in 2018.

This fuckbag Harry Reid blocked bipartisan legislation (that had already overwhelmingly passed the house) designed to protect seniors from financial exploitation from going to the floor because he didn't want R's to be able to point to a legislative victory before the election.

Harry Reid did his job and got Democrats elected up and down the ballot in his state. He's not the problem.

[kisada]

No joke-- I have low expectations of Trump, but I still want to give him a legitimate chance to prove me wrong. I had the same reaction to President Obama. Everyone should-- I'm not saying give in to his wishes or whatever, but I would much rather me be entirely wrong and Trump be an amazing President, than me be right and Trump run the country into the ground.

even if he could close the pandora's box that he opened, the racial damage would still be done. and regardless, all signs point to him holding it upside down and dumping all the contents on the floor with his wanting to hire bannon as his chief of staff, as one prime example.

if you ask me i think the give him a chance or don't is just all the same bullshit anyway. we literally have no choice in the matter anymore as he is going to be able to do whatever he wants for a long time.

[NynJa]

If you had elected almost anyone else, you might have a point. You just elected an authoritarian thug who will screw over the people who got him elected and then try to blame it on anyone but himself. But don't take my word at it -- you will get to see for yourself soon enough.

"You just..."
Sorry but the dems sitting on their asses not going to vote thinking trump wouldnt get any votes are the ones who got him elected.

Repubs have the same turnout the past 3 elections, its the dems whos support was dropping.

[Niiro]

Harry Reid did his job and got Democrats elected up and down the ballot in his state. He's not the problem.

It would be remiss of me to not point out that these people are public servants first and politicians second.

Withholding good and necessary legislation purely for political gain should not be acceptable regardless of political affiliation.

[Quicklet]

It would be remiss of me to not point out that these people are public servants first and politicians second.

Withholding good and necessary legislation purely for political gain should not be acceptable regardless of political affiliation.

Tell that to the Republicans. Democrats are under no obligation to do things that will assist them politically when their strategy worked so well.

[Niiro]

I completely understand how tempting it is to go that route but it does not help the people they are supposed to be representing.

It is infuriating to watch the Republicans obstruct to no end and then blame the other party for the failings of government but when both parties devolve into this behavior you are left with a government that truly does not work for anyone.

[Quicklet]

I completely understand how tempting it is to go that route but it does not help the people they are supposed to be representing.

It is infuriating to watch the Republicans obstruct to no end and then blame the other party for the failings of government but when both parties devolve into this behavior you are left with a government that truly does not work for anyone.

If it makes you feel any better, Republicans are not going to be passing reponsible legislation that benefits the majority of Americans anyway, so it's a moot point.

I will say this -- I do think there is a line to be drawn in terms of basic governance. I don't believe that the debt ceiling should be held hostage for political purposes. I don't think that the government should be shut down because you can't enact your legislative agenda. But I don't think Republicans should be given political victories as a reward for destroying the way government works. If they want to pass policies that actually benefit the working class and poor of all parts of the country, great. I don't believe they're going to do that.

[arus2001]

My point is, if someone actually said that shit to someone, the other person would probably talk shit back, and there would be a loud verbal, and possibly physical altercation. These same people are the fuckin flash with their cameraphones when it comes to police abuse, or patriarchal oppression, but when its trump supporters spitting out racist shit, not one of them are able to catch a smidge of the incident? Like i said, i dont doubt its happening, but for something thats happening "all over america", someone among the 300 million americans have got to have something to show instead of "their word".

First, stop to consider that we have people who didn't want to admit to supporting Trump because they don't want to be considered racist and all that. Second, let's entertain the reality that such individuals tend to be cowards, acting either when their behavior can not be verified or within the safety net of other like-minded individuals (think KKK as the extreme example of such).

Now, this isn't like school where a bunch of kids will suddenly gather round chanting, "Fight, fight, fight!" and making a spectacle of the scenario. Further, one could argue that seeing a parked police car (especially with lights on) is going to get people on edge, and in the unfortunate case of minorities, HOPING to catch misconduct. To everyone else trying to live their life normally, hoping to catch shit on video isn't even on the radar when you're going to pay for gas, shopping at Wal-mart, etc..

Not everyone's the internet tough guy looking to jump into fisticuffs, either. Some will attempt to ignore it, and in some cases, that's that. The antagonist persisting may indeed draw further attention, but we need to revisit the coward angle for such likelihood. Some will be genuinely afraid, like a smaller woman getting talked down to by a larger man. The girl initiating a fight in this scenario likely isn't going to end well no matter how much mace she's carrying or self-defense classes she might've taken. Others are simply going to turn the other cheek. It's similar to ignoring, but at the same time, does risk escalation if they don't stop what they're doing and the antagonist dislikes that. Realistically, the "nigger moments" of violence as lampshaded by the Boondocks are what we'll hear about far, far, far more about than the incidents were only words were slung one-sidedly. Nonetheless, this shouldn't detract from the fact these incidents do happen. Absence of evidence and all that, since I'm already channeling some BD references.

Frankly, I don't know how bad racism and religious prosecution is in Canada, so that can most definitely be skewing your perspective. Living in a small Ohio town of like 2-3000 with under 10 black residents and maybe a tad more on the Asian scale, however, I have seen enough of the racist fuckwits, confederate flagbearers, and all the tropes. I'll off-handedly hear comments at gathering places and even occasionally have some try to probe me for support of their bumpkin views. It happens, and sometimes it's been my own family members. And if the end result is just trying to tell people to grow a thicker skin, well, we're pretty much ignoring the problem presented. Some folks just don't have a "decent human being" setting, and the wave of anti-PC that follows Trump is more or less greenlighting that. Or maybe more accurately, spotlighting what's been going on.