2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[thetruepandagod]

Man, this chick is hype as fuck. I want whatever she got in that starbux cup.

https://twitter.com/calmsnbc/status/796909844225736704

[Niiro]

If it makes you feel any better, Republicans are not going to be passing reponsible legislation that benefits the majority of Americans anyway, so it's a moot point.

I will say this -- I do think there is a line to be drawn in terms of basic governance. I don't believe that the debt ceiling should be held hostage for political purposes. I don't think that the government should be shut down because you can't enact your legislative agenda. But I don't think Republicans should be given political victories as a reward for destroying the way government works. If they want to pass policies that actually benefit the working class and poor of all parts of the country, great. I don't believe they're going to do that.

I have my doubts as well, but I chose my words carefully. Obstructing legislation for political gain should not be tolerated, blocking what is believed to be truly harmful legislation is very different.

[Quicklet]

Man, this chick is hype as fuck. I want whatever she got in that starbux cup.

https://twitter.com/calmsnbc/status/796909844225736704

First thing I thought of when I saw this:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...ristmas/n30774

[Twilight Sky]

I think it's amazing how people are trying to leave the country over something as stupid as an unfavorable President so quickly. I've been planning my move for about 8 months to be with my lady. These people trying to do it in days. Must be nice, I guess.

[Cream Soda]

There are 2 anti-trump protests in my city this weekend.

Kinda wanna go just to see a fight break out and/or some ignorant ass violence/police brutality

[GoggleHead]

You should show up with a bucket of popcorn.

[Aerin]

I think the name of the bill would be the "End The Offshoring Act" (EOTA/EOA?). It would be a new bill he wants to pass through Congress.

You are correct, I suppose if it was the end it it'd say "Repeal" instead of "End" thanks.

A few more in here:

Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and let states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

The GOP Congress has already demonstrated its willingness to repeal the insurance tax subsidies and Medicaid expansion portions of the Affordable Care Act, along with the requirement that all Americans have health insurance, using a fast-track legislative maneuver known as “reconciliation” that prevents a Democratic filibuster. President Obama vetoed that measure, but President-elect Trump would presumably sign it. The Congressional Budget Office predicts that could strip health insurance coverage from more than 20 million people -- although the change would most likely be phased in over a couple of years. Trump’s replacement plan is less clear. Health savings accounts would allow more people to buy insurance with pre-tax dollars, and selling insurance across state lines might increase competition and reduce prices. But coverage will very likely remain out of reach for many. The requirement that insurance companies provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions cannot be repealed through reconciliation. But preserving that requirement without the individual mandate to purchase insurance could create a costly situation in which people wait until they’re sick to buy coverage.

I didn't realize that Republicans were willing to remove that leg of the stool. That would really make insurance premiums skyrocket.

End Illegal Immigration Act Fully - funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

I remember reading somewhere that this is actually a huge cost not even counting the wall. The cost to house people in prisons over 2-5 years is pretty huge, anyone else remember that or know how much?

EDIT: Looks like it costs ~$31,000 per year for each person jailed. Costs vary by state but that's the average. Gonna do some math based on this 2014 Ice Immigration Removals Report

There were 17,772 Level 1 offenders, 19,733 Level 2 offenders. Level 3 offenders have only been convicted of misdemeanors so they don't apply for the manditory minimums. That's 37,505 people that would be given a 5 year mandatory minimum sentence in that year. Plus those captured from the Office of Field Operations which bumps up the numbers by 1,490 and 866 respectively, which brings the total to 39,861.

Assuming no overlap, the number of people caught for a repeat immigration violation 54,115 (Office of Border Patrol) plus 995 (Office of Field Operations) is 55,110 for a mandatory of 2 years.

So, ballparking this (because there's always tons of details) that's $1.7 Billion for the people caught just that year serving 2 years ($3.4 Billion over the lifetime of the sentences), and $1.235 Billion for the people serving 5 years ($6.18 Billion over the lifetime of the sentences).

THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities

I live in one of the sanctuary cities (Seattle), Mayor Ed Murray said Seattle will remain a 'sanctuary city,' despite Trump. I'm glad he took that position.

[myreality]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ury-secretary/

Trump considers JPMorgan boss Jamie Dimon for Treasury Secretary

[Minions]

Glad Trumps ridding the government of corruption. Maybe he should add the wells fargo guy instead.

[myreality]

Register to see the NSFW content

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/davidh..._12899016.html

Electoral College Can Stop Unfit Trump — With Another Republican

Tuesday’s election has produced a mixed result. Donald Trump won the voting in enough states to put him over the minimum 270 electoral vote threshold; with Michigan, Arizona, and New Hampshire still undecided, Trump is at 279 to 228 for Clinton. Hillary Clinton appears to have won the popular vote; at this hour she’s up about 230,000 votes over Trump.

Clinton has conceded, and the Trump transition is moving ahead.

But the election isn’t over, under our Constitution, until the designated electors of the Electoral College meet on December 19 at their state capitals to cast their votes and then, on January 6, Congress meets to affirm that result.

It would be an extraordinary measure for the electoral college to select anyone other than Donald Trump to be our next president.

This is an extraordinary situation.

Donald Trump is unfit to be president. Our current president has said Trump is unfit, as have many Republicans. Trump has a remarkable record of bigotry, misogyny and sexual abuse, dishonesty, predatory business practices, misuse of charitable entities, and apparent pronounced narcissism. He has advocated for torture, bombing civilians, and other reckless acts that no conscientious military officer could carry out. Polls during the campaign showed that the vast majority of the public believe Trump is unfit and lacks the appropriate temperament to be president.

[Fiye]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politi...-wolf-blitzer/

[Aerin]

Pretty sure you'd have riots if that happened.

[myreality]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politi...-wolf-blitzer/

Love Sanders no bullshit policy.

Pretty sure you'd have riots if that happened.

I agree, but that is what the Electoral College was made for. Situations like these.

[Fiye]

I'm not saying all the protestors are fake but it's basically the same birddogging strategy they used on trump rallies.


Also Hillary is projected to lose the popular vote as well.

https://bucket.bluegartr.com/0625557...b70bffcc7b.png

Something seems different and I can't put my finger on it.

[Quicklet]

Pretty sure you'd have riots if that happened.

Pretty sure we're going to have riots anyway.

[Kachiko]

Pretty sure you'd have riots if that happened.

We've already got riots that Trump is President-Elect.

[Aerin]

Glad Trumps ridding the government of corruption. Maybe he should add the wells fargo guy instead.

And eh, what's going on now is mostly protests. When I say riots I mean a lot more people fighting, breaking into stores. Like what happened in Ferguson, MO.

[thetruepandagod]

Keep getting snaps from people protesting who voted for stein or are foreign students.

Certainly gives them something to do instead of homework I suppose.

And eh, what's going on now is mostly protests. When I say riots I mean a lot more people fighting, breaking into stores. Like what happened in Ferguson, MO.

Whites only turn violent over hockey. Question is are the blacks more likely to turn out for riots than they did for the vote heh?

[Quicklet]

Whites only turn violent over hockey and pumpkin festivals.

Fixed.

[Fiye]

Don't forget cubs games.