2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[archibaldcrane]

Why do you believe costal states with higher population should have more of the say? Why have states at all?

In a popular vote system, what state you are voting in is irrelevant. That's the whole point.

[ThreeOneLead]

I don't see how that defeats my point. That is a system for electing congressman yes. You can't apply a majority vote to a nation of states with doing exactly what you are claiming is happening with EC now and disenfranchising less populated states. I'm not going to go in circles but I like how different the states are and I think they should all be fairly represented and you can't base that on population alone. In my opinion. Feel free to disagree without calling me stupid.

In other news:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...obamacare.html

Trump likes the pre-existing conditions and the additional years of coverage under parents insurance

You thought insurance premiums were bad now. Wait until companies have to take sick people without healthy young individuals mandated to stay in the risk pool.


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[kuronosan]

I don't see how that defeats my point. That is a system for electing congressman yes. You can't apply a majority vote to a nation of states with doing exactly what you are claiming is happening with EC now and disenfranchising less populated states. I'm not going to go in circles but I like how different the states are and I think they should all be fairly represented and you can't base that on population alone. In my opinion. Feel free to disagree without calling me stupid.

In other news:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...obamacare.html

Trump likes the pre-existing conditions and the additional years of coverage under parents insurance

Yea, so basically all they want is to eliminate "Obamacare" in name only. It's a purely political move and people are fucking retarded for falling for it.

You can't keep pre-existing conditions and do away with a mandate. Then there's no reason for anyone to participate.

[Andalusian girls]

I don't see how that defeats my point. That is a system for electing congressman yes. You can't apply a majority vote to a nation of states with doing exactly what you are claiming is happening with EC now and disenfranchising less populated states. I'm not going to go in circles but I like how different the states are and I think they should all be fairly represented and you can't base that on population alone. In my opinion. Feel free to disagree without calling me stupid.

a Republican vote in California is currently being disenfranchised because the Democrat will always get its 55 EC votes. a Democratic vote in California is being partially disenfranchised because Wyoming has 3x as many EC votes per population unit. under a direct popular vote no one will be disenfranchised as every vote will have the exact same value, whether it is an individual in California or Wyoming or Washington or another individual in California voting for the less popular ideology. the result is not to take power from one state to give to another but to give the power to individual voters.

and you are aware less populated states are already drastically over-represented in congress yes? i've mentioned it several times but you've always elected to ignore it.

[Drai]

Wait, is there REALLY a debate on whether each individuals vote should be equal? That's retarded and anyone who thinks the EC is fair or even makes sense is retarded, the office of the most powerful man in the world should be tallied on a 1:1 scale, each individual vote from each voter in the country should be counted, and not inferred by saying "1 of the 270 required votes is based on what we think 500,000 people in a state are voting for" that's beyond retarded, and even in Canada where our system is better, but still quite similar to this, I still feel it's retarded.

[kisada]

first of all, the nation is built upon the people. it's one nation. the nation is comprised of states that house the people. states are just a construct in order to do so, but instead we have this wacky system where states also represent the people (a system, mind you, made for convenience) and we are in an era where that representation is not proportional.

all it takes is looking at the power of each group's electoral vote power to understand why. i might fucking kill myself trying to find it because it's been lost in a sea of data but basically a white man's vote on the index is worth 1. someone like me who's asian is worth fucking .5 in this shitty system you're so intent on defending as fair.

[kisada]

you could do the same

i did attempt to do so. so here.

answer

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...=1#post6806811

[kisada]

all it takes is looking at the power of each group's electoral vote power to understand why. i might fucking kill myself trying to find it because it's been lost in a sea of data but basically a white man's vote on the index is worth 1. someone like me who's asian is worth fucking .5 in this shitty system you're so intent on defending as fair.

jesus christ someone help me find this chart on 538 or i might actually do the deed

[dasva]

Why do you believe costal states with higher population should have more of the say? Why have states at all?

That's not the sole function of states. A decent portion of the purpose is that while there are some things that should be sweeping decision made for the whole by the whole on the federal level there are some things that need to be or at least should be allowed to be specific to a region to best suit the needs and wants of those there and should be decided mostly by them. If states rights were strong things like slim majorities on the federal level would be a lot less scary

[Lokus]

Don't forget Florida.

Hey now, South Florida tried (with the exception of the Cuban-American vote.)

[Aerin]

and you are aware less populated states are already drastically over-represented in congress yes? i've mentioned it several times but you've always elected to ignore it.

He's been ignoring well thought out arguments against him for some time now.

[Day]

Im not ignoring them I"m reading them and trying to understand by asking questions. Stop taking everything as a fuckin attack.

[Tyrath]

Hey now, South Florida tried (with the exception of the Cuban-American vote.)

No I meant Florida in the sense that it always becomes hyper important in every election.

[Aerin]

Im not ignoring them I"m reading them and trying to understand by asking questions. Stop taking everything as a fuckin attack.

Not saying it was an attack (not sure how I would be), just an observation.

[Waraji]

Follow up to that Bill Burr podcast post.

[Salodin]

If you feel like you're being attacked then that's just your guilt letting you know you're saying stupid shit. Defend what you're saying or don't say it, don't deflect because people find it way too easy to illustrate why your line of thought is mistaken.

[Day]

No I didn't say stop attacking me. It is some of you getting overly defensive at a discussion.

[D44kpunk]

I feel sorry for peolpe who have to constantly deal with stereotypes. as a white male i haven't experienced being stereotyped against negatively all that often. the constant inference that if you are a white male you are a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic trump supporter is very demoralizing

[BaneTheBrawler]

Stop it, all of you.

[Aerin]

No I didn't say stop attacking me. It is some of you getting overly defensive at a discussion.

I'm sorry, is that anger I'm detecting about people not understanding what you're trying to say? Getting angry about people being overly defensive about a subject?

Edit: Fine Bane, but only cause you asked nicely.