2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[Salodin]

No I didn't say stop attacking me. It is some of you getting overly defensive at a discussion.

Dude, these are words on the internet. Take a break if you need to

[archibaldcrane]

I feel sorry for peolpe who have to constantly deal with stereotypes. as a white male i haven't experienced being stereotyped against negatively all that often. the constant inference that if you are a white male you are a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic trump supporter is very demoralizing

I have no problem with keeping my morale up, and I'm a white male.

Everyone should engage in introspection about their own biases and acknowledge and work on them.

[Salodin]

I feel sorry for peolpe who have to constantly deal with stereotypes. as a white male i haven't experienced being stereotyped against negatively all that often. the constant inference that if you are a white male you are a racist, xenophobic, misogynistic trump supporter is very demoralizing

As a white make you constantly deal with stereotypes, but they are usually to your benefit so you don't notice them.

[archibaldcrane]

As a white make you constantly deal with stereotypes, but they are usually to your benefit so you don't notice them.

Yeah, I guess I keep my morale up by recognizing how fucking awesome it is to wake up a white male American everyday.

[D44kpunk]

As a white make you constantly deal with stereotypes, but they are usually to your benefit so you don't notice them.

please re-read my post, i never said i don't deal with them.. you literally quoted it

[tyven]

Trump presidency is going to be so fucking lit. His transition team is already holding hill meetings talking about how he will issue an executive order on Inauguration Day repealing ACA regs (may not be legal but think he can delay). meanwhile Barack has sold him on 26 and pre-existing. Lit lit lit

[Salodin]

Completely misread that. My b fam

[kisada]

As a white make you constantly deal with stereotypes, but they are usually to your benefit so you don't notice them.

i legit would make my white buddy order food and shit when we went out sometimes as a joke for better service. i mean kinda but not really. but kinda. still kinda do it just to observe

[kuronosan]

Trump presidency is going to be so fucking lit. His transition team is already holding hill meetings talking about how he will issue an executive order on Inauguration Day repealing ACA regs (may not be legal but think he can delay). meanwhile Barack has sold him on 26 and pre-existing. Lit lit lit

Except without a mandate pre-existing conditions won't lower the cost.

[6souls]

Fuck this election cycle. Now it's affecting my workplace. There is a community effort to tell immigrants that they are welcome and people are writing if front of businesses these messages. We support the message, but choose not to have it in front of our business (last time we made a statement, a immigrant, actually, began running a smear campaign against us). Now the community is sending people in to complain. We wanted to make a compromise where is says "Everyone is Welcome," but that's turning into a Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter argument. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

[archibaldcrane]

Without the mandate or subsidies we're going to witness an incredible death spiral.

Even though I need private insurance for my family, I'm kinda excited to see how it goes!

Lots of people are going to die if this happens.

[ThreeOneLead]

Fuck this election cycle. Now it's affecting my workplace. There is a community effort to tell immigrants that they are welcome and people are writing if front of businesses these messages. We support the message, but choose not to have it in front of our business (last time we made a statement, a immigrant, actually, began running a smear campaign against us). Now the community is sending people in to complain. We wanted to make a compromise where is says "Everyone is Welcome," but that's turning into a Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter argument. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Free market fam. Your clients don't support your business decisions.


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[BaneTheBrawler]

You might be able to ask the community leadership to come in to talk about it, and explain your position. I'd phrase it as "We do not want to put up signs, because we feel that would politicize our establishment and expose us to retribution, which has happened to us before. However, we support your message, and wish to make a charitable contribution in your organization's name. Do you have any preference? Otherwise, one of our employees has a blahblahblah (personal shit here that ties you to a specific charity you'll choose if they don't have a preference)"

Flip that shit around on them so that if they're antagonistic with you they're no longer chastising you for not supporting them, but discouraging you from making charitable donations. also, the order in which you say those things is important. decline the signs first, THEN bring up the donation. That's very important. People tend to respond to the last thing you said to them, so if you end with talking about charities, that's what they'll respond to.

[kisada]

Without the mandate or subsidies we're going to witness an incredible death spiral.

Even though I need private insurance for my family, I'm kinda excited to see how it goes!

Lots of people are going to die if this happens.

could you explain how this all works? the whole healthcare thing is something i have very little understanding of.

[archibaldcrane]

could you explain how this all works? the whole healthcare thing is something i have very little understanding of.

It's a somewhat long explanation to type on my phone

This mainly affects people who buy insurance privately, not through their employer.

[kuronosan]

could you explain how this all works? the whole healthcare thing is something i have very little understanding of.

No mandate = healthy people don't enroll
Healthy people don't enroll = pool remains static
Pool remains static = full of people who are high risk
High risk = high cost
High cost + No money = unsustainable
Unsustainable = lose insurance
Lose insurance = die

[myreality]

Without the mandate or subsidies we're going to witness an incredible death spiral.

Even though I need private insurance for my family, I'm kinda excited to see how it goes!

Lots of people are going to die if this happens.

Yup, my clients are having panic attacks as they all rely on federal assistance in one form or another.

[kisada]

ya, read back a page or two and it started coming together. thanks

[Xantavia]

I'm not happy Trump won either. But I am also not of the belief that he will be some tyrannical monster that some people are making him out to be. I believe he will repeal certain things like the ACA. But he won't outright abolish it. I believe that he will at least re-visit Roe vs Wade, but I do not believe any traction will be made there with exception to late term abortions. The whole chicken little the sky is falling reaction we're seeing now is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction imo.

It's not Trump himself doing it, but a combination of factors. He fills the vacancy in the SC, and states start passing all kinds of crazy bills to get around current laws. Law gets challenged, goes to SCOTUS, and gets upheld. Good-bye Planned Parenthood clinics in red states for example.

[archibaldcrane]

Trump presidency is going to be so fucking lit. His transition team is already holding hill meetings talking about how he will issue an executive order on Inauguration Day repealing ACA regs (may not be legal but think he can delay). meanwhile Barack has sold him on 26 and pre-existing. Lit lit lit

More details:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...ons-26-2016-11

This would royally fuck over insurance companies in the private market too, I don't know how any would be profitable and so I don't know why they wouldn't pull out of the the private market altogether.

There's no way the Republicans in Congress are going to go for this right? They'll have to see the train wreck coming...