2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[Zoner]

[tyven]

I'm Hispanic, does that apply to me as well?

BYE

[Niiro]

I know you maybe idealistic and want to save all those people but most people live in their little world with their shitty job and shitty family and simply don't care. And why should they. At the end of the day you and me owe nothing to anyone.

It's fair to say that I am more idealistic, but I think this is one place where we will fundamentally disagree.

Americans see themselves as consumers first and citizens second. I'm going a paraphrase a better speaker than I and say that consumers do not have obligations, responsibilities, and duties to their fellow human beings, and as long as we continue to behave as such we are going to degrade the quality of our society as a whole.

If most people "live in their little world with their shitty job and shitty family and simply don't care" then that is a society that has done something wrong.

We can't save everyone, but we can do better than that.

[Xantavia]

I know you maybe idealistic and want to save all those people but most people live in their little world with their shitty job and shitty family and simply don't care. And why should they. At the end of the day you and me owe nothing to anyone.

That is what got us into this situation. The whole "fuck you, I got mine" attitude where people aren't willing to put themselves through a little discomfort in order to benefit others. It may be idealistic, and even selfish, to believe that if I sacrifice a little now to help others, it will eventually come back around to make it better for me when i need help.

[thetruepandagod]

Fuck others. Especially others that disagree with me and look different.

[archibaldcrane]

if ben carson becomes secretary of the department of education i guess ill have to change my allegory of the cave lecture into the allegory of abraham's pyramid corn silos

This is a good post

[Cichy]

It's fair to say that I am more idealistic, but I think this is one place where we will fundamentally disagree.

Americans see themselves as consumers first and citizens second. I'm going a paraphrase a better speaker than I and say that consumers do not have obligations, responsibilities, and duties to their fellow human beings, and as long as we continue to behave as such we are going to degrade the quality of our society as a whole.

If most people "live in their little world with their shitty job and shitty family and simply don't care" then that is a society that has done something wrong.

We can't save everyone, but we can do better than that.

and in a ideal world that would be great but that's not the place we live in. If you look at why places like China are successful now is because of their collective thinking and taking care of that core group that fuels the economy. In America it seems to be backwards now we focus on that underdog. People expect middle class to pay for everyone because they are the "entitled whites" and it's their obligation take care of everyone else because they have it so good. Only that's not true and middle class is shrinking further. As a person that comes from a formerly communist country I witnessed the reality of government controlling everything and everyone getting their equal share. One of my earliest memories was waiting for bread at 5 am because the government said only X number of bread is baked that day and go hungry if you show up late. If people are required to work and keep giving more and more to those who don't that's when shit collapses. It's all great when there is excess to spare but the fact now is that the economy is doing worse and worse and people feel entitled to things just because they are born.
All I'm saying is that if this decline of middle class continues in the US you will never get rid of the issues you're so adamant about. The more desperate people are the more divisions there will be.

[archibaldcrane]

The middle class is shrinking, but more people are moving to the upper class than to the lower class.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...class-anymore/

[Vandalhart]

That's great that households are making more money, but are they able to keep their heads afloat with inflation getting worse and worse?

[kisada]

The middle class is shrinking, but more people are moving to the upper class than to the lower class.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...class-anymore/

during the debates and other times she spoke, one thing i kept thinking over and over in my head was: why didn't clinton ever say anything about the lower class and trying to get them to the middle class? if only that message had gone out.

[Minions]

The fact two people have to work to have the same standard of living we use to have with one person working 50 years ago is pretty shit.

[NynJa]

The fact two people have to work to have the same standard of living we use to have with one person working 50 years ago is pretty shit.

But the middle class is moving to the upper class!

[archibaldcrane]

The fact two people have to work to have the same standard of living we use to have with one person working 50 years ago is pretty shit.

Inflation adjusted median income is up significantly from 50 years ago. What you just said is completely untrue.

[Minions]

But the middle class is moving to the upper class!

Unless you are single, in which case enjoy your low - low-middle class.

[archibaldcrane]

For example, the median new house in 2014 is about 60% larger than 40 years prior, while housing about 20% fewer people.



Now, if you're trying to keep up with the Joneses in 2016, it's going to be hard on a single income on average. But if you're trying to live at a 1960s standard of living - it's easier for the 2016 family than the 1960s family for sure.

[Krandor]

Why are you talking about income then using the size of houses as the model?

Don't most people in the millennial bracket have an almost insignificant amount of money in savings, since they're living paycheck to paycheck and are incapable of actually being able to save money?

[Andalusian girls]

That's great that households are making more money, but are they able to keep their heads afloat with inflation getting worse and worse?

what inflation? the last five years has been the lowest inflationary period since the early 60s.

[kuronosan]

In this thread, middle class is defined on the archaic model of income.

[Byrthnoth]

This is typically what people talk about when they're complaining about household income not having improved much lately:



Source: Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Househ...usehold_income

[6souls]

Not necessarily for protesting. There were also similar ads on the Denver craigslist. But just doing a simple bit of digging found what the jobs were actually for;

https://850.dayforcehcm.com/Candidat...munityoutreach

Plus the original Stop Trump ads were posted between October 26th and November 5th.