2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[Fiye]

I want to think that Trump exists as a special case of sleesy but I honestly have no idea how he didn't fucking tank between the primary or general.

Edit: Why not Donald Trump and Ben Carson: Why you shouldn't give Beevis and Butthead the nuclear codes.

[Niiro]

Have we hit the era of personalty presidents that do whatever congress pushes in front of them yet?

Did Reagan and Bush not count?

[archibaldcrane]

I want to think that Trump exists as a special case of sleesy but I honestly have no idea how he didn't fucking tank between the primary or general.

Because there is a market for charismatic demagoguery, and if you're running against the perceived boogeywoman and the electoral college skews the popular vote in your favor you can squeak one out.

[dasva]

On the subject of free college and blue collar jobs, what do you all feel is a viable solution to this? As more people opt to go to college to better themselves, this leaves more jobs in fields such as construction and service industries in higher demand, thus you would expect companies to offer increased pay to entice people to accept these jobs, and in lieu of increased pay, then some other benefits to compensate would you not?

But we also run into the issue of Jobs in certain industries being phased out due to progress, looking specifically at the manufacturing industry, specifically the automotive industry, a lot of people over certain ages who work in these industries aren't yet at the age where they can retire, but are too old to potentially be retrained in a completely different field.

And finally you have the Businesses themselves who hire in these industries, what incentives do they have to increase pay for their workers if all it does is lower their profits?

One option I was thinking of was the government offering compensation to businesses based on certain requirements, maybe tax breaks for offering pay to workers a certain % higher then industry standards? Or something like Grants payed to workers who lose their jobs due to progress and can't be retrained, or are within a certain number of years from retirement? Would love to hear peoples ideas on what they feel would be good solutions for things like this?

One option is more focus on job related training with help finding jobs afterwards and/or apprenticeships more clear and easy methods of working/training your way up in said jobs in lieu of increasing pay too much. Offer college once you've worked a bit to land the jobs in that industry that need it. Really it's already done to an extent in a lot of industries but word doesn't really seem to get out and probably could add more industries.

And for people not really aiming for 6 figure jobs the idea of being able to go straight to a job they can live comfortably off of while getting education/training to make a decent wage is rather appealing when compared to spending tons of money while not earning anything for a few years for a chance to maybe land a better job

[Vandalhart]

On the subject of free college and blue collar jobs, what do you all feel is a viable solution to this? As more people opt to go to college to better themselves, this leaves more jobs in fields such as construction and service industries in higher demand, thus you would expect companies to offer increased pay to entice people to accept these jobs, and in lieu of increased pay, then some other benefits to compensate would you not?

But we also run into the issue of Jobs in certain industries being phased out due to progress, looking specifically at the manufacturing industry, specifically the automotive industry, a lot of people over certain ages who work in these industries aren't yet at the age where they can retire, but are too old to potentially be retrained in a completely different field.

And finally you have the Businesses themselves who hire in these industries, what incentives do they have to increase pay for their workers if all it does is lower their profits?

One option I was thinking of was the government offering compensation to businesses based on certain requirements, maybe tax breaks for offering pay to workers a certain % higher then industry standards? Or something like Grants payed to workers who lose their jobs due to progress and can't be retrained, or are within a certain number of years from retirement? Would love to hear peoples ideas on what they feel would be good solutions for things like this?

Some of that sounds similar to the Temporary Foreign Worker program here in Canada already. I'm quite positive companies are already getting wages for these employees already subsidized by the government.

The main issue I have with college/university is that it's expensive and doesn't really get you a leg up on anyone. When my kid gets old enough, I'd like to think I can urge him to explore what he likes to do before he commits to a degree or education.

I beleive that the higher education system needs to be looked at and adjusted. I'm not sure how that should happen, but making education free and not having a way of controlling the institutions prices is just going be a drain on government budgets.

[Talint]

Obama counties that went for Trump

[Yuri-G]

glass 'em

[myreality]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...p-trump-231350

Two presidential electors encourage colleagues to sideline Trump
'This is a longshot. It’s a hail Mary,' one Washington State elector says.

[Krandor]

So their plan is to ignore the results of a democratic election and leave the decision in charge of the Republican controlled House?

[BerenTebogo]

It's such childish, ridiculous shit. It's almost as bad as writing in Bernie.

[myreality]

So their plan is to ignore the results of a democratic election and leave the decision in charge of the Republican controlled House?

That's the job of the EC. To fix a major mistake the dumbass population voted for.

Take from Trump and give it to Romney or some republican.

[archibaldcrane]

Almost as bad as all the #CalExit idiocy. Hell, I don't even like #notmypresident - it's like, "oh really? Cool you don't have anything to worry about then eh?"

[Krandor]

That's the job of the EC. To fix a major mistake the dumbass population voted for.

Take from Trump and give it to Romney or some republican.

Pretty sure they're only allowed to pick between the two candidates with the highest electoral votes if it even went to the point that the House needs to pick a president.

[Mertron]

Pretty sure they're only allowed to pick between the two candidates with the highest electoral votes if it even went to the point that the House needs to pick a president.

article says top 3 vote getters, though it doesn't say if that's electoral or popular (I wont pretend to know the answer or bother looking it up, dun curr)

[myreality]

Pretty sure they're only allowed to pick between the two candidates with the highest electoral votes if it even went to the point that the House needs to pick a president.

They can become a faithless voter which then leaves the decision to Congress (republicans). Not saying its going to happen, just that it's also a part of their job.

[Fondue]

30 pages later, you're still pretending like Don isn't gonna be the president

Wake up buddy

[Krandor]

article says top 3 vote getters, though it doesn't say if that's electoral or popular (I wont pretend to know the answer or bother looking it up, dun curr)

You're right, the number two is for some nonsense related to the House having to select a VP.

[Egon]

I'll be honest, when Obama got elected, I thought it was the end of the world, but as we can all see, we lived. Now, you guys are acting like Trump is going to bring the end of the world... At least I can say I was 8 years younger/dumber.

[kuronosan]

I'd rather they just leave Trump in charge.

I really don't want them elevating someone into the Presidency that wasn't voted in. It would have been just as stupid if Hillary dropped out and they propped Biden up instead of Bernie, although there's no way I wouldn't have voted for Biden.

[Tyrath]

30 pages later, you're still pretending like Don isn't gonna be the president

Wake up buddy

I agree with Fondue on something. Wtf.