2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[Salodin]

We're complaining cause some dems had change to throw at validating election results in one of the wonkiest elections ever?

[Talint]

That money is going to try and establish the credibility one way or the other of the vote counts in the mentioned states. All those questions your asking may very well be answered by actually doing something rather then complaining about how other people spend their money.

Edit: Added a word

We're complaining cause some dems had change to throw at validating election results in one of the wonkiest elections ever?

I would prefer people spend money ("change") where it will actually do good instead of throwing it into an abyss and hoping it would do good.

Archi pragmatically suggested the LA senate race. I had other ideas.

[Krandor]

When Trump and his supporters made claims of the possibility of the election being rigged/stolen they were laughed at and decried as conspiracy theorists, even at the presidential level. Oh how the times change when liberals don't get their way.

[Salodin]

You'd think this election would have taught people not to assume they know best where resources should be spent.

[Fiye]

they could be dnc funders throwing money at democracy now or aome other medium group.

This situation is bad enough for the left that this might be one of the last ways to alter the course. i think the people going after unfaithful electors are really, really, really wasting their breath.

It's a move that'll provide no results but it at least shows the left will fight when possible.

[Salodin]

It hopefully keeps the story going, and maybe that'll be enough to motivate more people next time. At thanksgiving dinner I heard no less then twice that he won the majority and we should at least give him a chance. I'm like "pause", and now I'be become the passionate politics guy in the family.

[Gokku]

I heard Hillary supported pulling baby's 38 weeks old and severing their spines before removal as fact today at dinner

[Kincard]

I think I've made it pretty obvious I have lots of disdain for Trump, but I have to agree with the people saying it's fucking stupid to advance a narrative that damages the legitimacy of our system of government. Hillary was good enough to recognize that which is why she conceded.

[6souls]

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

Up to $4.3mil

[myreality]

I think I've made it pretty obvious I have lots of disdain for Trump, but I have to agree with the people saying it's fucking stupid to advance a narrative that damages the legitimacy of our system of government. Hillary was good enough to recognize that which is why she conceded.

So its worse to damage the legitimacy of the government then to identify and fix a big problem with the government?

The mindset on this is bizarre. People putting in effort/money into something they believe will do something, when everyone else has given up and starts ridiculing them because, people put $20 towards a cause? This should be a good thing, on one hand the recount can reinforce the legitimacy of the voting system on the other it could open wide a system of foul play. Win/win, don't see the problem here.

Giving voice to your concerns = bad

[Krandor]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politi...mes-even-over/

Do you not see the parallel here?

[myreality]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politi...mes-even-over/

Do you not see the parallel here?

So ignore the evidence of over 2 million votes over Trump, all the shady shit some of the red states went through to suppress voters.

I do, i don't see the problem even if it was Trumps side in order to stifle the anger if nothing comes out of it. Giving vent and feeling like you tried will help in the long run instead of creating another build up of anger over time on something you suspect foul play on.

[Krandor]

So ignore the evidence of over 2 million votes over Trump

Yay let's pretend that the popular vote matters. As others have pointed out here multiple times, she over performed in states where it didn't matter.

all the shady shit some of the red states went through to suppress voters.

And this relates to the potential recounts in those 3 states how?

Just to be clear, when a R questions election results, it's a danger to democracy. But when the Ds get their feefees hurt about it it's totally cool?

[kuronosan]

Remember, it's only a problem when the other side does it. When you do, it's totally cool.

[myreality]

Yay let's pretend that the popular vote matters. As others have pointed out here multiple times, she over performed in states where it didn't matter.



And this relates to the potential recounts in those 3 states how?

Just to be clear, when a R questions election results, it's a danger to democracy. But when the Ds get their feefees hurt about it it's totally cool?

When an R questions election results before the election and calls for riots if it doesn't go their way then yes its a danger. When D questions election results it's after the election and see suspicious activities, like closing DMV's or sudden raids to prevent registration right before the election.

[Krandor]

You're talking about suspicious activity that in the words of Nate Silver "can’t survive a basic sanity check" or that Halderman (who NYT published an article on this week that seemed to kick people into a frenzy) later clarified in saying “Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked.”

And calling for riots that never happened vs riots that actually did happen is obviously way worse.

[myreality]

Except there is direct evidence on these activities just like how there is evidence Gerrymandering greatly influence election results in favor of republicans. The lawsuits will put an end to speculation so i don't understand why anyone can be mad about it.

And calling for riots that never happened vs riots that actually did happen is obviously way worse.

Really? I mean.....come on. A fucking presidential candidate calling for riots from his followers if he lost is worse when compared to a small group of independent assholes doing it on their own? Don't think so buddy.

[thetruepandagod]

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

Up to $4.3mil

Could rescue 25,412 child slaves with that amount of money instead of doin literally nothing with it lel.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ger-the-better

[Krandor]

Remind me when Donald Trump told his supporters to riot if he lost?

[myreality]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us...nton.html?_r=0

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politi...violent-words/

Trump has played at this with jarring regularity, creating a series of tense flashpoints during the course of the campaign. On October 13, he told supporters that, in the eyes of the global power structure they sought to topple, the coming election "is a war."

"And for them," he continued about the opposition, "nothing at all is out of bounds. This is a struggle for the survival of our nation, believe me. And this will be our last chance to save it on November 8 -- remember that."

"I want us to be able to fight ideologically, mentally, spiritually, economically, so that we don't have to do it physically, but that may, in fact, be the case," he said at the Values Voter Summit in September.

Among others
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald%...e%20Quotes.htm