2016 USA Presidential election thread II: And. Here. We. Go!

[Fiye]

so instead of 100k votes we're now down to 70k votes between states. fucking awesome.

[archibaldcrane]

so instead of 100k votes we're now down to 70k votes between states. fucking awesome.

79,646 I believe is Trump's combined margin in the 3 states.

[Cail]

So if Hitler stops after invading Poland, does he basically get away with the Holocaust np?

This is a great "what if" and I would love to talk about it, but perhaps in another thread?

[Andalusian girls]

hey man let's have it here

Adolph would not have been able to stop after invading Poland as the U.K. + France declared war on Germany because of the Polish invasion, and the U.S. + Japan were heading toward a war he would insert Germany into regardless of developments in Europe.

and Hitler's end goal was of course not the Holocaust. the eradication of untermensch was a means to an end, and that end involved oodles of lebensraum in the Soviet Union. it is difficult to imagine exactly how Germany prevails in World War II given their strategic objectives demanded they declare war on at least 3 if not 4 of the other great powers.

[Cail]

Valid, but the world did nothing when he started annexing smaller countries. I know France+Britain stepped in once the Polish invasion started, but I'm curious how much he could have gotten away with if things didn't keep progressing

[Talint]

[NynJa]

Thats a bold statement to make that EVERYONE who voted Jill Stein would have voted for Hillary.

[Gredival]

Thats a bold statement to make that EVERYONE who voted Jill Stein would have voted for Hillary.

If you factor in the amount of people who would rather not vote at all, or switch to some other protest vote, yes.

But if you were a Stein voter and you were willing to put aside your nauseating "I'll only vote for someone I believe in and I won't be hostage to a lesser of two evils system!" posturing to make a choice between Clinton and Trump, there is no way that you favor Trump. The Democrats, including HRC, are closer to the Green Party on nearly every single Green Party's policy positions on major issues than the Republicans, including Trump.

If Jill is 100 and Anti-Jill is 0, Hillary will always be closer to 100 on this scale than Trump. It doesn't matter if you think she is horrible as well, there is no world in which she is not rated higher on this metric. The problem with protest voters is that for them a candidate must be at least 80 on the purity test. The difference between 79 and 1 is insufficient for them.

[Galkaeater]

Forever mad about 3rd party voters

[NynJa]

If you factor in the amount of people who would rather not vote at all, or switch to some other protest vote, yes.

But if you were a Stein voter and you were willing to put aside your nauseating "I'll only vote for someone I believe in and I won't be hostage to a lesser of two evils system!" posturing to make a choice between Clinton and Trump, there is no way that you favor Trump. The Democrats, including HRC, are closer to the Green Party on nearly every single Green Party's policy positions on major issues than the Republicans, including Trump.

If Jill is 100 and Anti-Jill is 0, Hillary will always be closer to 100 on this scale than Trump. It doesn't matter if you think she is horrible as well, there is no world in which she is not rated higher on this metric. The problem with protest voters is that for them a candidate must be at least 80 on the purity test. The difference between 79 and 1 is insufficient for them.

I never said it was split 50/50 though, and it very likely wasnt. I said that its a bold statement to say everyone who voted Stein would vote Hillary, which is what those tweets were alluding to.

I dont get the point of having a third party that has no chance at winning. If the votes come down to the DNC or GOP, let people vote their third party (to establish who they would vote for), and make them do a secondary vote of the two top dogs. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of votes made for Hillary or Trump that would have gone to a third party, but werent voted for because "fuck it, they wont win anyways, might as well vote for one of those two"

[Zealot]

That's why I'd like to institute ranked voting nationwide.

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[Niiro]

Expect establishment-party politicians to pass election reform that will weaken establishment parties and you're gonna have a bad time.

[Zealot]

Taking on the establishment and winning is becoming increasingly doable.

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[Kincard]

Only if you know how to somehow weaponize arguments for voting reform into conspiracy theory meme images.

[dasva]

I'm sure if there was no Jill a decent portion might have not voted or went to Gary. Hell Gary probably took as big a chunk if not bigger out of Trump

[Talint]

Trump and Clinton Aides Clash During Election Forum

“I would rather lose than win the way you guys did,” Ms. Palmieri said.

You guys, I can't. I fucking can't.

[zoobernut]

I never said it was split 50/50 though, and it very likely wasnt. I said that its a bold statement to say everyone who voted Stein would vote Hillary, which is what those tweets were alluding to.

I dont get the point of having a third party that has no chance at winning. If the votes come down to the DNC or GOP, let people vote their third party (to establish who they would vote for), and make them do a secondary vote of the two top dogs. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of votes made for Hillary or Trump that would have gone to a third party, but werent voted for because "fuck it, they wont win anyways, might as well vote for one of those two"

I was kind of wondering if this would work. I think we should get a first choice/second choice thing so you can vote primary for the person you really care for and then have a fallback vote if your primary person doesn't have a chance in hell. A pipe dream I know and extremely convoluted to implement but the thought crossed my mind.

[thetruepandagod]

And the crybaby of the election award goeeeees to...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0bb2962f17854


God the huffpo comments are savage.

[Twilight Sky]

Trump and Clinton Aides Clash During Election Forum



You guys, I can't. I fucking can't.

Yeah I asked myself the same thing, how did they win, besides beating the hell out of her 309 to 232 or so.

[Xantavia]

I never said it was split 50/50 though, and it very likely wasnt. I said that its a bold statement to say everyone who voted Stein would vote Hillary, which is what those tweets were alluding to.

And if everybody who voted for Clinton had voted Stein instead, she would have won. But I'm sure Gred doesn't like the logic in that direction.