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    Seems like the Russians did a bunch of war crimes before their retreat.

    https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status...7omSewX3w&s=19

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    I'm sure footage will show up on r/makemycoffin later.

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    I wonder how much Germany's treatment of Soviet POW's during WWII plays into all of this? I'm sure they remind people regularly on Russian state TV in their Ukraine/Nazi propaganda.

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    https://www.npr.org/2022/04/01/10902...ssia-radiation

    The Russians have abandoned Chernobyl after they had already dug trenches and erected fortifications. It's speculated that the disturbance of radioactive soil caused sickness among the troops stationed there.

    When they left, Ukraine's ministry added, the Russian troops looted the power plant, taking "kettles, lab equipment, and radiation." They also took the captured Ukrainian national guard members who had been at the facility when Russia invaded in late February.

    In an update on conditions at the Chernobyl plant, Energoatom, Ukraine's state power company, said on Friday that all control and monitoring systems were operating normally, despite the removal of several containers and spare parts. Ukrainian workers who remained at the plant throughout the occupation to monitor it had remained safe from radiation, it added.

    Energoatom has said Russian troops left the site after digging trenches and building fortifications in the Red Forest — an area it says is the most heavily polluted in the entire zone. Without providing details, the company said a panic broke out when the first signs of radiation sickness emerged. On Friday, the company reiterated that the greatest threat to the occupiers was likely posed by inhaling radioactive dust disturbed by their actions.

    The IAEA said Russian forces had sent two buses of troops out of the area to Belarus as they returned control of the Chernobyl site to Ukraine. A third bus also left a nearby city where many of the Chernobyl staff members live, it said.

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    no one ever accused the Russian officer corps of possessing an overabundance of intelligence

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    Seems like the Russians did a bunch of war crimes before their retreat.

    https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status...7omSewX3w&s=19
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/0...ep-kyiv-unsafe

    Russians dug mines into the yards of homes in the surrounding area.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60970818

    They also went door to door in apartment buildings looking for those who stayed behind. If someone had bolted themselves in, the Russians ripped out the concrete lintels and door posts to reach them.

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    I'm a bit in awe of how completely inhuman Russian soldiers are turning out to be. The atrocities here in seem to be topping anything done by the US/NATO/whatever in the "poor desert countries". Makes all the people going "Don't be angry at the Russian people, they are suffering just like the Ukrainians" ring a bit hollow considering how easily they seem to slip into full on war crimes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forte View Post
    I'm a bit in awe of how completely inhuman Russian soldiers are turning out to be. The atrocities here in seem to be topping anything done by the US/NATO/whatever in the "poor desert countries".
    This would be why the western liberal international order is good. We aren't perfect, but we are far preferable to the alternative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    This would be why the western liberal international order is good. We aren't perfect, but we are far preferable to the alternative.


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    When we do war crimes, people get upset and at least TRY to do something about it.

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    isn't this mostly due to all the mercenaries running amok?

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    Our war crimes just aren't caught on iphone 13s and posted to Twitter and Reddit instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meph View Post
    isn't this mostly due to all the mercenaries running amok?
    Quote Originally Posted by Boyiee View Post
    Our war crimes just aren't caught on iphone 13s and posted to Twitter and Reddit instantly.
    it's a combo of both of these

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    Also, this isnt the 1st time theyve done shit like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cail View Post
    Also, this isnt the 1st time theyve done shit like this
    this is the primary factor. while the war is unusually heavily covered given the prevalence of social media, and American/allied units undoubtedly committed atrocities in the desert, there has been a pattern of behavior for Russia armed forces in which war crimes are institutionalized as standard operating procedure in a manner neither America, nor any other Western military, countenances these days.

    to wit, American bombing obviouly caused collateral damage in the Middle East, even hospitals were hit. but in that event the American military conducted a full investigation, there was a public apology, disciplinary action was taken against those responsible for the mistake, and monetary compensation was rendered. conversely the Russians deliberately targeted hospitals and medical centers by the dozens during their bombing campaign in Syria in an effort to destroy the civilain medical infastructure that supported the rebels. similarly when Grozny defied them they levelled it to the fucking ground with massed artillery, when Baghdad defied us we limited munitions expenditures and smart-bombed key infrastructure.

    it is not so much the American way of making war is especially good as that the Russian way is especially bad.

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    the russian sarin gas attack in syria happened less than a decade ago and was the deadliest use of chemical weapons since the iraq/iran war and that shit happened like 30 years ago.

    that's kinda all that needs to said about russian morals nowadays

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    There are more than a handful of incidences of American troops committing atrocities in war. They raped about 5000 women in France in WWII, and that was doing the good guy work.

    My Lai massacre, Mahmudiyah incident. No one's hands are completely clean.

    The difference being is that, with I guess the exception of WWII, these incidents were highly publicized and the offenders are either dead or in prison.

    In Russia, you get to do it everywhere you go and go home a hero. The citizens are just as evil, complicit, and responsible as the troops are. Yes, all of them.

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