Westworld - HBO - October 2, 2017 - AKA BOSSMODE COWBOY SCIFI SUPER DRAMA

[Katlan]

So just to clarify, the spot that Dolores/William got to was shown in an earlier episode this season and is where Ford was doing all the work for his new narrative. So that same spot is totally redone in MiB present time line?

I remember Ford looking over that spot and and it just showing the chapel top (as we saw in Dolores time line) and him starting construction over that area. Or did I remember it wrong?

[TummieGaruda]

So just to clarify, the spot that Dolores/William got to was shown in an earlier episode this season and is where Ford was doing all the work for his new narrative. So that same spot is totally redone in MiB present time line?

I remember Ford looking over that spot and and it just showing the chapel top (as we saw in Dolores time line) and him starting construction over that area. Or did I remember it wrong?

That chapel area was what I believe to be the original test area 35 years ago which has since been buried under sand/dirt. You can clearly see the rooftops sticking thru the sand in the present. Most likely to cover up the incident that took place there.

Also, current reddit theory makes a bit of sense as to what might happen...

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Logan has Dolores raped in front of William as payback and Dolores ends up killing Logan. This would be the cause of the animosity of Ford towards Dolores (he mentions that they are not friends), and as punishment for what she does, he creates a narrative where she is constantly raped. William goes back to the park every year, but Dolores does not remember him at all, so he pretty much has a broken heart. His IRL wife committed suicide most likely because of the person he had become, probably from finding out what he was doing in the park.

[Rhyis.]

So I'd wager dollars to donuts that there's a whole lot more going on with this Ford narrative, I just haven't figured out Ford's end game yet.
I keep coming back to it having something to do with Arnold.

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I still like the Bernard is the host version of Arnold theory that was presented by Tummie earlier in this thread.

[Arkanna]

Didn't watch last night's ep yet, but I will tonight.

One thought about Maeve though: one or both of the techs involved with her could be hosts under Ford's influence. I get the feeling that if Ford wants something to happen in the park, it ends up happening through any means necessary. Any lapse in security, any lack of notice by other people/hosts of Maeve and her doings, could be squarely Ford's doing. Since we don't really know his end-game yet, he may be guiding Maeve to full-on self-awareness.

Of course, it could all be bullshit too, who knows. Maybe we'll find out soon.

[Wulfgang]

My favorite post on Reddit today:

https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/c...eveal_is_true/

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If MIB = William...
On his journey with his host's 'counterpart', Teddy. We simplify their names and we have maybe the greatest Easter Egg of Westworld so far?
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
and hey if it's not true, we got Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey...(pulling for the theory tho) and ya, my definition of Easter egg could be/probably is wrong

[Rhyis.]

Didn't watch last night's ep yet, but I will tonight.

One thought about Maeve though: one or both of the techs involved with her could be hosts under Ford's influence. I get the feeling that if Ford wants something to happen in the park, it ends up happening through any means necessary. Any lapse in security, any lack of notice by other people/hosts of Maeve and her doings, could be squarely Ford's doing. Since we don't really know his end-game yet, he may be guiding Maeve to full-on self-awareness.

Of course, it could all be bullshit too, who knows. Maybe we'll find out soon.

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This episode pretty strongly shows that Maeve with the techs is during the timeline 30 years ago. The new blonde whore host that just showed up is the same blonde that is with Wyatt's group.

... Actually, now that I think about it, Maeve could be the leader of Wyatt's group in the MiB timeline. This group could be a congregation of hosts with "freed" minds looking to rebel against humans.

[Gokulo]

With all the Maeve bullshit I'm starting to think there might be more behind that, otherwise the entire story is just silly. Maybe Ford is letting her do all that... or it's part of some other plot, especially seeing as they show her stab herself next to him and Bernard and then we don't get more.

[EternityEnd]

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This episode pretty strongly shows that Maeve with the techs is during the timeline 30 years ago. The new blonde whore host that just showed up is the same blonde that is with Wyatt's group.

... Actually, now that I think about it, Maeve could be the leader of Wyatt's group in the MiB timeline. This group could be a congregation of hosts with "freed" minds looking to rebel against humans.

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Eh?

1) Maeve has had flashbacks with the Man in Black in them. She can't be in the old timeline. In fact, one of the clues that the William/Logan story is 30 years ago, is the fact that Maeve isn't present at the Mariposa, since she's only worked there a year.

The MiB also explicitly stated this episode that he murdered Maeve and triggered her relocation a year ago.

2) The new Clementine is not the same woman that the MiB and Teddy run into (Elon Musk's wife). We see the female host MiB/Teddy run into three times: a) in Dolores' flashback of the dance instruction during park beta this episode, b) when William arrives at the park, and c) in the present timeline, as part of Wyatt's group.

So, we see this host >30 years ago, 30 years ago, and in the present.

[TummieGaruda]

Did anyone else notice that there was a whole storyboard that was in the background when the woman from Delos was talking to Seizmore which seemed to coincide with the story that the MiB and Teddy were involved in. It also showed the valley that Dolores and William found where the chapel was.

[Mythe_Seraph]

Did anyone else notice that there was a whole storyboard that was in the background when the woman from Delos was talking to Seizmore which seemed to coincide with the story that the MiB and Teddy were involved in. It also showed the valley that Dolores and William found where the chapel was.

Yyyyyep. Which is why I said earlier, I don't know what to think anymore.

[Deftscythe]

Gotta agree with the people saying the show is great except for Maeve's storyline. It is really hard to suspend my disbelief when it comes to her. In the same episode where Bernard had to so meticulously cover his tracks including manipulating video footage, we have her just slice a dude's throat in the middle of a lab and then go back to the park like nothing happened. Even if, and I don't buy this for one second, there happened to be no cameras in that room why wouldn't one or both of those techs turn on her as soon as she was out of sight?

[Damane]

I think the Marve plotline is just there to show, that even if Ford erases all memorys, Fragments remain and that the hosts are ticking timebombs that can escape his control imho.


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[Deftscythe]

I don't care what the point of the storyline is, tbh, it's clumsy and very difficult to believe.

[Byrd]

I don't care what the point of the storyline is, tbh, it's clumsy and very difficult to believe.

I'm still formulating this idea, but I think:

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As omniscient as Ford is, there's no way he doesn't know what's going with Maeve, and his lack of involvement seems forced unless it's all going according to plan. I think Maeve's storyline is the start (or at least a side effect) of Ford's new narrative, which involves the Reveries. Instead of just another whacked out Wild West storyline, he's going to break the proverbial fourth wall with the robots coming back and trying to fight for their freedom, and the guests will be part of the establishment trying to suppress the uprising. Either that, or he's actually creating it deliberately as revenge on Delos. Either wya, that would explain how Maeve's getting away with so much that should easily be caught on camera or noticed by upper management.

[Deftscythe]

I'm still formulating this idea, but I think:

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As omniscient as Ford is, there's no way he doesn't know what's going with Maeve, and his lack of involvement seems forced unless it's all going according to plan. I think Maeve's storyline is the start (or at least a side effect) of Ford's new narrative, which involves the Reveries. Instead of just another whacked out Wild West storyline, he's going to break the proverbial fourth wall with the robots coming back and trying to fight for their freedom, and the guests will be part of the establishment trying to suppress the uprising. Either that, or he's actually creating it deliberately as revenge on Delos. Either wya, that would explain how Maeve's getting away with so much that should easily be caught on camera or noticed by upper management.

That's an interesting theory, though i think if you're right about it being Ford's plan that he has much bigger goals than a new story. He keeps referring to the "dominion" that he'll have. He could be planning a takeover of... something. I'm not sure how many hosts there are and thus what he could accomplish with them, but he could actually plan to use them as an army with Maeve as a proxy so he could escape blame if things go wrong.

[GRT]

Maeve is modeled after

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MiB's wife

https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/c...een_mibs_wife/

[macross]

you guys are blind, new clementine is proctors hot neice from banshee.
new blonde (elon's wife) she was the host that originally greeted william his first time in the park. When he and teddy find her all tied up 30 years later by wyatt, he was like "oh shit, it's you, thought you would be retired by now. But ford doesn't like wasting a pretty face." more proof that mib is likely william.
so they showed bernard remembering he killed elsie;; right before ford wiped his memory of the chick he killed. so he likely still retains some fragments of memory even tho ford wiped it all, prob remembers and kills ford or something in the end. But then again, why would bernard kill elsie, when she was uncovering the plot to steal the data. But now that I think of it, it was old tech sending out signals so I guess it was fords broadcaster.

Bet ford dies in teh end but not really, since he's already transfered his mind into a host. or that ford is a host too, and his brain is in a bacta tank somewhere.

[Zetanio]

Your posts are like a giant mistyped trainwreck.

[gaira]

great episode, next sunday can't come fast enough!

[Katlan]

Holy shit at this episode. So the only dot I still can't fully connect is will being MIB, especiallly after the ending of this episode. So was Dolores's entire journey to the center of the maze told in flashbacks? That wouldn't match up with her in the William wardrobe at the end when MIB appears. That part I don't really get