2016-2017 NHL Regular Season Thread, Week 26: Holy Fuck Colorado Was Bad

[NynJa]

The last call he drew was kinda funny cuz he was falling anyway when the guy reached in and it got called.
Oh well, 2 points I guess

And yet most Habs fans are crying about how it was "another needless stupid Shaw penalty"

[Richybear]

It is Shaw though. It's part of the deal of having him, or Cooke/Wilson etc players. They can bring that sick truculence, but know that anything they do is a borderline penalty because it's them.
I think what bugs me more is we brought in Lucic to stop the stupid stuff happening to Connor. Now granted he has bricks for hands, so he got taken off the top line in a hurry. But for 3/4 of the season so far, he's been hibernating. First shift after the slew foot that Obs posted, I'd be like "Milan, go..." And it doesn't have to be Retodd Burtuzzi level or anything, but just a hit and "Hey, not gonna happen today." message. But nope. It's sorta like "Not my linemate, not my problem."

[Ratatapa]

The last call he drew was kinda funny cuz he was falling anyway when the guy reached in and it got called.
Oh well, 2 points I guess

No idea why talbot didn't get first star

[NynJa]

So we complain how the shootout is essentially a coin flip and its stupid...yet the super bowl was literally settled by a coin flip lol

[Zetanio]

So we complain how the shootout is essentially a coin flip and its stupid...yet the super bowl was literally settled by a coin flip lol

I like shootouts. I like regular OT more though. Coin flips are fucking retarded. Just like football.

[Judai]

So we complain how the shootout is essentially a coin flip and its stupid...yet the super bowl was literally settled by a coin flip lol

but it's not? That's like saying an OT game is settled by whoever wins the opening FO if they score without turning over the puck.

Also, if NE is stopped and only scores a FG, ATL gets the ball and a chance, so unless the first score is a TD, the game isn't even over.

[Richybear]

True, but you'd think it'd be the other team gets a chance to match said TD if they haven't had a possession yet.
Would be like *shoot first in the shootout, score. Game oven.*

I mean CFL there's the chance to match. I know, lol CFL, but essentially lolFootball tbh

[Judai]

True, but you'd think it'd be the other team gets a chance to match said TD if they haven't had a possession yet.
Would be like *shoot first in the shootout, score. Game oven.*

I mean CFL there's the chance to match. I know, lol CFL, but essentially lolFootball tbh

Hockey OT is first to score, period, idk why it's being compared to the SO. Playoff Hockey goes until someone scores, whether that's 10s or 60m. Now, obv, possession changes more often in hockey but it's the same basic concept, if you get the puck first, and score you win. Each team doesn't get a chance unless they make a "stop".

The NFL thought about doing a college OT thing with each team alternating possessions until someone stops the other but decided the added plays could cause more injuries and it wasn't a good idea.

[NynJa]

Hockey OT is first to score, period, idk why it's being compared to the SO. Playoff Hockey goes until someone scores, whether that's 10s or 60m. Now, obv, possession changes more often in hockey but it's the same basic concept, if you get the puck first, and score you win. Each team doesn't get a chance unless they make a "stop".

The NFL thought about doing a college OT thing with each team alternating possessions until someone stops the other but decided the added plays could cause more injuries and it wasn't a good idea.

Winner winner chicken dinner. There are probably 15 to 20 possession changes to every one in football.

Not to mention a faceoff still has an element of skill. Players like Bergeron arent at 60% on the draw cause theyre lucky. A coin flip is literally a coin flip.

[Judai]

I don't really see your point. The game was decided by a team marching 65 yards on 8 plays, not a coin flip.

[NynJa]

Did atlanta get a chance to match? No
Coin flip

In hockey, if you take a shot or make a pass and miss, the puck is open...the play doesnt die and the attacking team gets an additional 3 attemps at a do-over.

[Judai]

In Hockey if you don't turn the puck over and score, the other team doesn't get a chance to match. Just because turnovers happen more often in hockey, doesn't mean the game continues on if someone scores without turning it over.

You have to make a stop to get a chance. Though, as I said, in football, if they were stopped and only kicked a FG, the other team would get a chance as well.

[Vaspinne]

The onus on defense is a lot higher in football. Your defense not being able to make a stop is the same as your offense not being able to score and your defense stopping the other team is equivalent to your offense getting a touchdown. You have to be able to win with both.

So while it may seem unfair, I understand the reasoning behind it.

[Vaspinne]

If you want to compare it to hockey, then you should be comparing it to 3 on 3 OT and not to the shootout. In OT, if a team wins the puck off the opening faceoff (a veritable coin toss one could argue), has control of the puck the entire time and scored lets say a minute into OT without the other team ever touching the puck, no one would argue "Well, the other team didn't get a chance with the puck, so it was unfair". They would say "the other team didn't defend well and was scored on." Same idea in football.

Football just seems more structured and "let's take equal amount of turns" compared to hockey, but then you look at stats like offensive possession and total plays and you see shit like NE having 93 total plays compared to ATL's 46, NE having 37 first downs compared to ATL's 17. So it may seem unfair that ATL didn't get a chance in OT, but ultimately it really was. Their O couldn't score in the 4thQ and their D didn't do the job at the end and the game ended. Simple as that.

[Obsidian]

but it's not? That's like saying an OT game is settled by whoever wins the opening FO if they score without turning over the puck.

Also, if NE is stopped and only scores a FG, ATL gets the ball and a chance, so unless the first score is a TD, the game isn't even over.

The MVP of the league never got to touch the ball in OT. I dunno how you can call that a reasonable overtime format. That's like going to the shootout and if the first shooter scores, their team wins. Or if the winner of the opening coin toss scores on their first drive the game is over.

"Well Atlanta should have stopped the Patriots if they wanted to win." But if the Falcons had won the coin toss and scored you'd be saying the same thing about the Patriots. The fact that Atlanta could have won the game if they had won the coin toss means the format is retarded, full stop. It's stupid because the two best teams in the league just tied each other, they are both equally capable of scoring and defending, obviously. Both teams should get at least one possession.

I understand the logic behind the rule for regular season games because you don't want two teams pounding on each other, but for the playoffs and especially the FREAKING SUPER BOWL, I just can't understand how people think the current format is okay. Give both teams one possession, then follow the current rules if they match scores. How does that one change make anything worse? All it does is ensure the goddamn coin toss can't pick the winner.

[Judai]

You guys have some incredibly flawed logic.

[Obsidian]

Then please explain to me how guaranteeing both teams one possession makes the game worse.

[Judai]

Both teams are not guaranteed a possession in NHL OT.

and who knows how long a game goes on if each team keeps scoring in the NFL. What ends the game? Whoever scores the second TD? Well, that's not fair. Whoever is leading after 15m of OT? what if they are tied still? There have been plenty of College games that go on for 5-8 OTs possessions before someone wins.

[Obsidian]

One team doesn't get to start OT with the puck based on a coin flip either. And you didn't answer the question.

[Vaspinne]

Obs, you're comparing the SB OT to a shootout. You should be comparing it to hockey OT.