President Donald J. Trump: Orange is the New Black, House Slytherin Rises Also Heil Trump!

[archibaldcrane]

It would be pretty much impossible for fracking for natural gas and burning it in a power plant for electricity to be more harmful than mining and burning coal. There will be different problems in places not accustomed to such industry, sure, but by no means worse ones.

Of course the answer to both concerns is MOAR NUKES

[Ragnus]

Oh, I'm not doubting that point.

I'm just concerned that parts of the country are going to become archipelagos in a sea of unmonitored chemical waste.

[Spicyryan]

Oh, I'm not doubting that point.

I'm just concerned that parts of the country are going to become archipelagos in a sea of unmonitored chemical waste.

It is a very big concern, and unfortunately we will just deal with the consequences rather than be proactive.

[Cail]

Okay so let's talk inauguration and the associated protest actions that are being planned.

Each time an inauguration day comes around, the National Park Service of course reserves space for such festivities well in advance, to allow for reconditioning/maintenance of the grounds, placement of access fencing, grandstands, portalets, additional trash receptacles etc., and to reserve the route the inauguration will take. It's not uncommon for The Mall, Pennsylvania Avenue, the parks surrounding the White House and the south side of the Capitol Building, as well as some of the monuments near those areas to be included in such plans. It's also not uncommon that not all of the locations are used, and are re-opened to the general public. Lastly, the common timeframe for most of the inaugural activities is a week, with the exception of the immediate vicinity of the stage due to construction and teardown.

The responsibility for planning the inauguration however falls to an Inauguration Committee chosen by the President-elect. They communicate with the NPS about the parade route, organize funding, hire workers for construction of the stage etc. They also communicate with the Capitol Police and Secret Service regarding security.

With that all in mind, http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016...e-Inauguration

Who needs the first amendment when we have the second?

[Ragnus]

Uh.... nice knowing ya, Spicy?

[Tokitoki]

The fracking technology is still evolving. If they put more funds into researching the technology to improve the drilling methods they could make it less invasive. A couple years ago they had come up with a process where they would only need 1 entry point within a few miles, rather than several entry points in the same area.

I think natural gas is a great direction to go in, but like any technology, it's means and methods are still evolving.

[zoobernut]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news...ion/index.html

Exactly as suspected. Jobs that stay in the US are destined to be lost to automation anyway...

What are we going to do when there just aren't enough jobs in the country for everyone to do? What is the next logical step after capitalism once everything is automated and efficient so we don't have to work anymore?

The fracking technology is still evolving. If they put more funds into researching the technology to improve the drilling methods they could make it less invasive. A couple years ago they had come up with a process where they would only need 1 entry point within a few miles, rather than several entry points in the same area.

I think natural gas is a great direction to go in, but like any technology, it's means and methods are still evolving.

The issue isn't just how many drill entry points there are it is that the waste water is injected back into the ground complete with all the extremely toxic chemicals. There is little understanding to what effect this wastewater will have sitting in the ground long term. Not only that because these mixtures are proprietary there is no regulation as to what exactly is being injected into the ground and left there.

Reducing entry points is good however similarly important is adjusting how the wastewater is handled after extraction is complete. Also increasing efficiency of extraction so less gas is lost into the atmosphere (I think around 5-10% of all the gas extracted is lost to the atmosphere though I may be off on that amount.)

[Tokitoki]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news...ion/index.html

Exactly as suspected. Jobs that stay in the US are destined to be lost to automation anyway...

What are we going to do when there just aren't enough jobs in the country for everyone to do? What is the next logical step after capitalism once everything is automated and efficient so we don't have to work anymore?

Spoiler: show

[Byrthnoth]

Uh.... nice knowing ya, Spicy?

Lets be real though, it wasn't.

Methane, the primary component of natural gas, is a 20x more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. It's also a gas, and leaks into the atmosphere have been documented. We don't really know the prevalence of such leaks, so it's difficult to conclude whether it will be better for the environment than coal.

Related:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.94e67c9a3d1a

aaand question number 13 might as well be . . . "tell me who to fire."

[zoobernut]

Lets be real though, it wasn't.

Methane, the primary component of natural gas, is a 20x more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. It's also a gas, and leaks into the atmosphere have been documented. We don't really know the prevalence of such leaks, so it's difficult to conclude whether it will be better for the environment than coal.

How long did that huge leak go on down in the LA area? That was a massive gas leak and because it wasn't oil on the ground there was very little in the news about it. Huge areas had to be evacuated because the air was unbreathable.

[Darus Grey]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/08/news...ion/index.html

Exactly as suspected. Jobs that stay in the US are destined to be lost to automation anyway...

What are we going to do when there just aren't enough jobs in the country for everyone to do? What is the next logical step after capitalism once everything is automated and efficient so we don't have to work anymore?

We're basically already there, so the answer is we're just gonna ignore it until there's an actual revolution; rather than having a public conversation about how to adjust to this future and take care of our citizens.

[Olo401]

Even the two pro-Trump groups who plan to demonstrate have not yet been granted permits. The leaders of Bikers for Trump, Chris Cox, warned the Washington Times the denial may lead to clashes with Trump protesters.
“I told [the Park Service] I had thousands and thousands of bikers coming into town, and if she didn’t give me a spot, they were going to be just mingling around and would end up hanging out where all the Trump protesters are, and there’s going to be big problems and then people are going to wonder why,” Cox said.

Well okay then. Seems like just general blanket laziness on the part of the Billionaire Boys Club.. err Inauguration Committee.

However he's the leader of this group so he's directly responsible for their conduct. If his people ride around the city picking fights with people, IT'S ON HIM. Take some fucking responsibility bruh.

[Byrthnoth]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliso_Canyon_gas_leak

A few months and supposedly leaked ~100k tons of methane (~= 2mil tons of CO2). Our annual CO2 emissions are nearly 5400 million tons, so that's a rounding error, but it would get more significant if we moved towards natural gas as a coal replacement.

[archibaldcrane]

How long did that huge leak go on down in the LA area? That was a massive gas leak and because it wasn't oil on the ground there was very little in the news about it. Huge areas had to be evacuated because the air was unbreathable.

Leaked for about 3.5 months, total climate damage from leaked methane over a 20-year time frame is about equivalent to the damage two coal power plants operating normally do in a year.

So it would take roughly one natural gas plant operating normally for 4 years (instead of a coal plant) to mitigate the damage of that leak - the worst methane leak in US history.

Methane leaks are definitely something that should be closely regulated, but the idea that methane leaks wipe out natural gas's climate advantage over coal isn't borne out by the available data at all.

[archibaldcrane]

We're basically already there, so the answer is we're just gonna ignore it until there's an actual revolution; rather than having a public conversation about how to adjust to this future and take care of our citizens.

I think it's a bit silly to say "we're basically already to the point where automation is rendering human labor obsolete" when unemployment is at 4.6%.

[Darus Grey]

I think it's a bit silly to say "we're basically already to the point where automation is rendering human labor obsolete" when unemployment is at 4.6%.

I think it's a bit silly to not see how automation basically laid waste to the middle class, sure unemployment is currently low, but for the last 40 years the "jobs" we have get progressively worse and worse, because the jobs left for humans are basically shit on average, just because this trend hasn't finished removing the low and highend of the spectrum doesn't mean we're not already living that reality.

Perhaps my statement would be better said as "Automation has already taken most meaningful work away". Creating an abundance of low wage medium skill labor is not a triumph of the job market, it's just us desperate to prop up a system that's already broken.

[archibaldcrane]

The jobs left for humans (in America) are still providing near record high median incomes. If you want to argue that wages are stagnant I'm right there with you, but they aren't falling overall.

[Andalusian girls]

just to be safe we should probably start smashing spinning jennies

[zoobernut]

Leaked for about 3.5 months, total climate damage from leaked methane over a 20-year time frame is about equivalent to the damage two coal power plants operating normally do in a year.

So it would take roughly one natural gas plant operating normally for 4 years (instead of a coal plant) to mitigate the damage of that leak - the worst methane leak in US history.

Methane leaks are definitely something that should be closely regulated, but the idea that methane leaks wipe out natural gas's climate advantage over coal isn't borne out by the available data at all.

I never said methane leaks wipe out natural gas's climate advantage over coal.

Edit: I see someone else did you just quoted me.

Also the leaks are constant. Not all of them are enormous but as I stated there is a regular known percentage of all natural gas extracted via fracking that gets lost to the atmosphere as soon as it comes up. Is the impact of that well documented to make such concrete claims as you are making?

[archibaldcrane]

I never said methane leaks wipe out natural gas's climate advantage over coal.

You should probably look at the comment you replied to. Did you really need me to quote both?