President Donald J. Trump: Orange is the New Black, House Slytherin Rises Also Heil Trump!

[Byrthnoth]

KKK's overt racism has been supplanted by the new racism currently peddled by the alt-right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...fae_story.html

[Kachiko]

KKK's overt racism has been supplanted by the new racism currently peddled by the alt-right.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...fae_story.html

I must admit I don't understand this argument that the KKK is responsible for Donald Trump's success. David Duke got 3% of the Louisiana vote, while Donald Trump got 58% of the vote. I know that's not the focus of the article, but it implies their racism has infiltrated half of the people that voted for president. If that is so, and David Duke is that leader, then I don't understand those strikingly dissimilar election results.

[Quicklet]

I must admit I don't understand this argument that the KKK is responsible for Donald Trump's success. David Duke got 3% of the Louisiana vote, while Donald Trump got 58% of the vote. I know that's not the focus of the article, but it implies their racism has infiltrated half of the people that voted for president. If that is so, and David Duke is that leader, then I don't understand those strikingly dissimilar election results.

Trump literally made a major speech to make the accusation that there's a global conspiracy of Jews against him in the media. For people not familiar with the language, maybe it is easy to miss, but it was a very direct dog whistle to the white supremacists who traffic in those ideas.

[Byrthnoth]

The argument is that hardcore racist groups have taken a more pragmatic tact in the last two decades and have started rebranding their overt racism as advocacy for overtly racist policies that could have other justifications. As such, though they are no longer bound together by an organization and dress-up-like-a-ghost fetish, their numbers have actually grown and their logic has started becoming mainstream. Case in point, Trump probably doesn't think of himself as a racist, but he advocates for things that conveniently exclude white (stop and frisk), christian (muslim ban), males (abortion is bad?)

Again, I'm not saying that the ~23% of the electorate that voted for Trump is these guys, but <=GED white male voting was higher than expected and it didn't take a dramatic number of votes to swing this election.



PS. Do you honestly think that David Duke polling at 3% is something that should inspire confidence in a post-racism America? No need to worry about unabashed racists, because they're exactly as common as Gary Johnson voters? Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say they're as common as libertarians, because I'm sure many libertarians voted for Hillary or Trump over Johnson because Johnson was obviously not going to win (the same way Duke wasn't).

[Khajit]

Trump has outright stated that all black people are inherently lazy, has cases by the FBI against him because he refuses to rent to blacks, and that it was impossible for a latino judge in indiana that had served for decades and is a born American to be impartial on cases because he was Mexican. It would take some serious self delusion for him to not realize he's racist which I suppose is not out of the question.

[Byrthnoth]

If this election should have shown anything, it's that people don't think they're racist unless they're spitting on minorities, lynching people, and/or burning crosses.

Using race as a basis for discrimination, immigration, etc.? That's just good business.

[Deftscythe]

That makes you smart.

[Khajit]

Fair enough. I had/have a friend on FB that has made stupid comments that hit all the proper "topics" about black people rioting, Asians have done well for themselves, "why haven't black people stuck together for empowerment when asians have a strong community and economics", and so on. Then when I pointed out examples of nonblack riots he went to deflect via pointing out that I only care about stuff happening because I'm black as if only black people are allowed to care about black people being murdered on camera with the justice system not giving a shit. It didn't click until recently when he made some FB post about how Trump isn't about racism, sexism, etc so everyone should stop talking about how he is.
It's extra silly since he's an asian(filipino) in/from a country where his parents are immigrants, he's roughly our equivalent of mexicans, and has actually had natives accuse him of being a foreigner (of the dey took muh jerbs variety) so that he can decry how hypocritically racist black people are.
He is about a close to the bullseye of a Trump target as one can get in his home country and he doesn't have the self awareness to realize that.

[Twilight Sky]

Trump has outright stated that all black people are inherently lazy.

And he's not far from the truth. All are not lazy, but a good bit are. But it's not just African Americans.. most got damn people here just want handouts and be carried by the government, not wanting to do anything for themselves. And I'm black with 19 years in the work force, I've worked with some lazy ass motherfuckers.

[Aerin]

There's a quote from that Washington Post article that I thought was important, and really the heart of the matter for this particular issue.

On the air, Derek helped popularize the idea of a white genocide, that whites were losing their culture and traditions to massive, nonwhite immigration.

There was a very good article by Fareed Zakaria in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs. It's about Populism and how there's both right and left versions of it, the history it's had in various countries (it's on the decline in Latin America countries, while gaining steam in Europe), and what it means for the U.S. I'll leave an excerpt here, it's long but well worth the read. And if you do end up reading, keep the quote above in mind.

Spoiler: show

Unsurprisingly, the initial and most important issue Trump exploited was immigration. On many other social issues, such as gay rights, even right-wing populists are divided and recognize that the tide is against them. Few conservative politicians today argue for the recriminalization of homosexuality, for instance. But immigration is an explosive issue on which populists are united among themselves and opposed to their elite antagonists.

There is a reality behind the rhetoric, for we are indeed living in an age of mass migration. The world has been transformed by the globalization of goods, services, and information, all of which have produced their share of pain and rejection. But we are now witnessing the globalization of people, and public reaction to that is stronger, more visceral, and more emotional. Western populations have come to understand and accept the influx of foreign goods, ideas, art, and cuisine, but they are far less willing to understand and accept the influx of foreigners themselves—and today there are many of those to notice.

For the vast majority of human history, people lived, traveled, worked, and died within a few miles of their birthplace. In recent decades, however, Western societies have seen large influxes of people from different lands and alien cultures. In 2015, there were around 250 million international migrants and 65 million forcibly displaced people worldwide. Europe has received the largest share, 76 million immigrants, and it is the continent with the greatest anxiety. That anxiety is proving a better guide to voters’ choices than issues such as inequality or slow growth. As a counterexample, consider Japan. The country has had 25 years of sluggish growth and is aging even faster than others, but it doesn’t have many immigrants—and in part as a result, it has not caught the populist fever.

Levels of public anxiety are not directly related to the total number of immigrants in a country or even to the concentration of immigrants in different areas, and polls show some surprising findings. The French, for example, are relatively less concerned about the link between refugees and terrorism than other Europeans are, and negative attitudes toward Muslims have fallen substantially in Germany over the past decade. Still, there does seem to be a correlation between public fears and the pace of immigration. This suggests that the crucial element in the mix is politics: countries where mainstream politicians have failed to heed or address citizens’ concerns have seen rising populism driven by political entrepreneurs fanning fear and latent prejudice. Those countries that have managed immigration and integration better, in contrast, with leadership that is engaged, confident, and practical, have not seen a rise in populist anger. Canada is the role model in this regard, with large numbers of immigrants and a fair number of refugees and yet little backlash.

To be sure, populists have often distorted or even invented facts in order to make their case. In the United States, for example, net immigration from Mexico has been negative for several years. Instead of the illegal immigrant problem growing, in other words, it is actually shrinking. Brexit advocates, similarly, used many misleading or outright false statistics to scare the public. Yet it would be wrong to dismiss the problem as one simply concocted by demagogues (as opposed to merely exploited by them). The number of immigrants entering many European countries is historically high. In the United States, the proportion of Americans who were foreign-born increased from less than five percent in 1970 to almost 14 percent today. And the problem of illegal immigration to the United States remains real, even though it has slowed recently. In many countries, the systems designed to manage immigration and provide services for integrating immigrants have broken down. And yet all too often, governments have refused to fix them, whether because powerful economic interests benefit from cheap labor or because officials fear appearing uncaring or xenophobic.


Immigration is the final frontier of globalization. It is the most intrusive and disruptive because as a result of it, people are dealing not with objects or abstractions; instead, they come face-to-face with other human beings, ones who look, sound, and feel different. And this can give rise to fear, racism, and xenophobia. But not all the reaction is noxious. It must be recognized that the pace of change can move too fast for society to digest. The ideas of disruption and creative destruction have been celebrated so much that it is easy to forget that they look very different to the people being disrupted.

Western societies will have to focus directly on the dangers of too rapid cultural change. That might involve some limits on the rate of immigration and on the kinds of immigrants who are permitted to enter. It should involve much greater efforts and resources devoted to integration and assimilation, as well as better safety nets. Most Western countries need much stronger retraining programs for displaced workers, ones more on the scale of the GI Bill: easily available to all, with government, the private sector, and educational institutions all participating. More effort also needs to be devoted to highlighting the realities of immigration, so that the public is dealing with facts and not phobias. But in the end, there is no substitute for enlightened leadership, the kind that, instead of pandering to people’s worst instincts, appeals to their better angels.

Eventually, we will cross this frontier as well. The most significant divide on the issue of immigration is generational. Young people are the least anxious or fear­ful of foreigners of any group in society. They understand that they are enriched—economically, socially, culturally—by living in diverse, dynamic countries. They take for granted that they should live in an open and connected world, and that is the future they seek. The challenge for the West is to make sure the road to that future is not so rocky that it causes catastrophe along the way.

[Psion]

And he's not far from the truth. All are not lazy, but a good bit are. But it's not just African Americans.. most got damn people here just want handouts and be carried by the government, not wanting to do anything for themselves. And I'm black with 19 years in the work force, I've worked with some lazy ass motherfuckers.

i dunno, i've seen people who slack off a bit, and a couple lazy people who don't want to do anything at all... but most people ive seen don't mind working and getting things done, but also would like to do a few "non productive" things like listening to music, talking to fellow employees once in a while while working, etc. i'm not sure if i would even call that lazy considering the record productivity workers have now... it just might be people are finally saying enough is enough and want at least some of their lives back instead of having to spend an hour in traffic both ways to work and getting paid barely enough to afford rent. not many people are going to feel inspired to work hard if they aren't treated right by their employers. you know, precious "fee fees" and all that.

on the other hand, a good manager can help inspire productivity. my last boss was an amazingly friendly guy (maybe because he used to be a heart surgeon?) he didn't just let people talk to each other while working, he actually initiated a lot of conversations himself, teasing people, making them smile and come out of their shells (as it was a chemistry lab, lots of people there are more introverted by nature), and helping out people with what they were doing even without asking. sometimes he'd even come by and help me with my own job cleaning the lab glassware, probably as an excuse so he could chat. he also let me listen to headphones while working, which made a menial job much more pleasant. and yes, i could carry a conversation while doing so, since i have really good hearing.

despite him breaking the typical manager mold, even doing things like bringing doughnuts for everyone, he was much loved by everyone in the lab and everyone worked much harder than you normally see because well... he treated them well and they wanted to show him how much they respected him. the other labs in the company weren't nearly as pleasant places to be and the company went through temp workers like candy because of it, but the lab he was in charge of didn't have the same problem, and he was likely the reason for it.

[Thiefami]

If you have a moderate to decent job you cannot afford to be lazy, especially so if you are black. What industry do you have 19 years of service in? I am sure that plays a defining role in your perception.

I have worked in health administration, insurance, and project management consulting for various sectors of business, including government, in implementation as well as process control/improvement along with outsourcing. A good portion of my career is to know people's job. You have bad apples, and when you do it never ends well. It has been my overall experience your statement is simply not true.

I actually find most of the wasted resources in mid to upper management roles, which are held primarily by white men.

And he's not far from the truth. All are not lazy, but a good bit are. But it's not just African Americans.. most got damn people here just want handouts and be carried by the government, not wanting to do anything for themselves. And I'm black with 19 years in the work force, I've worked with some lazy ass motherfuckers.

[Byrthnoth]

Thx Trump, 5 bringing discussions about whether the black people = lazy stereotype is accurate to BG.

[kuronosan]

And he's not far from the truth. All are not lazy, but a good bit are. But it's not just African Americans.. most got damn people here just want handouts and be carried by the government, not wanting to do anything for themselves. And I'm black with 19 years in the work force, I've worked with some lazy ass motherfuckers.

Most damn people here what handouts?

I've worked with some lazy people too, but I've also worked plenty of jobs where people feel like putting in effort isn't worth the stress and shitty salary that goes with it.

I think you're just an idiot. Sorry.

[Psion]

simply put, there's not much reason to work harder than what is required to not get fired simply because there's no incentive to do so. your boss isn't going to give you a raise no matter how hard you work because that costs the company more money and they will make up excuses to not do so. (no, i don't consider a 10 cent bump every year "a raise", that's just inflation adjustment.)

pay your workers well, treat them well, and surprise surprise... they will do the same in turn. don't pay them well but treat them well and.. they will still do the same in turn, if not so much as doing both. eventually they'll find a better paying job opportunity and move on, unless they enjoy the work environment and don't need the extra pay too badly.

pay them well but treat them like shit and theyll work hard and eventually burn out, and now you're going to have to find someone else. aka $$$ spent on training a new hire.

[Buffy]

Omg last 2:15 of Chappelle on SNL so good.

Start watching at like 8:25

[Fiye]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7413701.html

Trump sure is draining that swamp good.

[nayaminfenrir]

simply put, there's not much reason to work harder than what is required to not get fired simply because there's no incentive to do so. your boss isn't going to give you a raise no matter how hard you work because that costs the company more money and they will make up excuses to not do so. (no, i don't consider a 10 cent bump every year "a raise", that's just inflation adjustment.)

pay your workers well, treat them well, and surprise surprise... they will do the same in turn. don't pay them well but treat them well and.. they will still do the same in turn, if not so much as doing both. eventually they'll find a better paying job opportunity and move on, unless they enjoy the work environment and don't need the extra pay too badly.

pay them well but treat them like shit and theyll work hard and eventually burn out, and now you're going to have to find someone else. aka $$$ spent on training a new hire.

I'm reminded of your whining thread about not finding a job that's perfect for you and am having a tough time taking anything you say regarding work seriously... no incentive to work harder? I wish there was a way to protect future employers from the likes of you.

[Zealot]

The very idea that a conversation broke out about the inherent laziness of blacks, with black posters chipping in, should give you an idea about the insidiousness, ingrained nature of racism.

[NynJa]

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...to-do-for-work... for those wondering what thread that is.

Also at my shitty retail job I've had 5$ in raises in 3 1/2 years. It includes a promotion to assistant manager, but they started me at a 2$ wage higher than the usual assistant manager wage, and thats for a job that I dont give a shit for but still do my job well. If you do the bare minimum to not get fired, you get the bare minimum raise.