DNC Restructuring

[Krandor]

So in 7 years minimum wage workers will all be replaced by robots, neat.

[tyven]

So in 7 years minimum wage workers will all be replaced by robots, neat.

minimum wage workers will be replaced by robots whenever possible no matter the wage. You needn't fear tho, Krandor. This is a page out of the Republicans 2010-2016 handbook when they would vote to repeal obamacare with no real plan. Dems know this isn't going anywhere.

[Talint]

So in 7 years minimum wage workers will all be replaced by robots, neat.

I mean, this happens anyway with the ridiculous short-sightedness of the modern for-profit company anyway.

Automation is always going to be introduced to cut costs. It would happen at $7.25/hr or $15/hr.

minimum wage workers will be replaced by robots whenever possible no matter the wage. You needn't fear tho, Krandor. This is a page out of the Republicans 2010-2016 handbook when they would vote to repeal obamacare with no real plan. Dems know this isn't going anywhere.

Why aren't they all on board tho.

Though yay I guess for Democrats starting to finally understand how enthusiasm works.

[Talint]

Like, I look forward to the self-fulfilling prophecy of Manchin, Heidtkamp, and whoever else losing because of being a democrat in a red state and being like "omg fight for fifteen was too liberal we need more blue dogs to choke this country into oblivion" rather than maybe fighting for something.

[Talint]

Taibbi, as always, is worth reading

They're continuing, if not worsening, last year's mistake of running almost exclusively on Trump/Republican negatives. The Correct the Record types who police the Internet on the party's behalf are relentless on that score, seeming to spend most of their time denouncing people for their wrong opinions or party disloyalty. They don't seem to have anything to say to voters in flyover country, except to point out that they're (at best) dupes for falling for Republican rhetoric.

But "Republicans are bad" isn't a message or a plan, which is why the Democrats have managed the near impossible: losing ground overall during the singular catastrophe of the Trump presidency.

The party doesn't see that the largest group of potential swing voters out there doesn't need to be talked out of voting Republican. It needs to be talked out of not voting at all. The recent polls bear this out, showing that the people who have been turned off to the Democrats in recent months now say that in a do-over, they would vote for third parties or not at all.

People need a reason to be excited by politics, and not just disgusted with the other side. Until the Democrats figure that out, these improbable losses will keep piling up.

[archibaldcrane]

Why would he pick Quist as the example here, the guy running as a Bernie-crat on single payer and not running against Trumpism?

[Fiye]

To be fair the article said he ran a decent campaign.

[Zealot]

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/int...ont-delete-it/

The best part of this is that it's Tuesday.

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[Talint]

[Andalusian girls]

Taibbi, as always, is worth reading

what fresh horseshit is this, "improbable losses" "losing ground". barring one Democrat on Democrat Californian election, the special elections of 2017 have hitherto come entirely from vacancies stemming from Trump appointments, and those appointments are contingent upon the party being assured that the vacated seat will remain red. we're talking Montana, Newt fucking Gingrich's old Georgian seat, South Carolina, Kansas, seats that have been Republican for decades in districts Trump won by 20+ points. there is not a race among them Democrats would have a prayer of winning in normal times, and the relative closeness of several of them (particularly during special elections where Democratic turnout has always faltered) is indicative more of the vulnerability of the Republican brand than it is the Democrats aren't far left enough, that if only they more fervently espoused socialism the fine cowboys of Montana would have come home to the party that left them.

[Mertron]

that's not what bill mitchell told me

[Talint]

what fresh horseshit is this, "improbable losses" "losing ground". barring one Democrat on Democrat Californian election, the special elections of 2017 have hitherto come entirely from vacancies stemming from Trump appointments, and those appointments are contingent upon the party being assured that the vacated seat will remain red. we're talking Montana, Newt fucking Gingrich's old Georgian seat, South Carolina, Kansas, seats that have been Republican for decades in districts Trump won by 20+ points. there is not a race among them Democrats would have a prayer of winning in normal times, and the relative closeness of several of them (particularly during special elections where Democratic turnout has always faltered) is indicative more of the vulnerability of the Republican brand than it is the Democrats aren't far left enough, that if only they more fervently espoused socialism the fine cowboys of Montana would have come home to the party that left them.

Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's seat in a special election. Liberal bastion that is Massachusetts voted in and sent a republican senator specifically to kill Obamacare.

The perceived vulnerability of national republicans is NOT a thing. It wasn't a thing in the primaries, it wasn't a thing in the general election, and it's still not a thing in these special elections. What does it say about the democratic party wherein both Berniecrats and neoliberals cannot win. How is this anything other than referendum on just how bad the fucking state of the democratic party is.

edit, since I'm feeling particularly cranky today:

If the democrats were really, truly concerned about the ACHA, they should be doing everything in their fucking power to be winning elections like these, just so that's one less fucking vote for the republicans have when the bill gets back into the House.

[archibaldcrane]

what fresh horseshit is this, "improbable losses" "losing ground". barring one Democrat on Democrat Californian election, the special elections of 2017 have hitherto come entirely from vacancies stemming from Trump appointments, and those appointments are contingent upon the party being assured that the vacated seat will remain red. we're talking Montana, Newt fucking Gingrich's old Georgian seat, South Carolina, Kansas, seats that have been Republican for decades in districts Trump won by 20+ points. there is not a race among them Democrats would have a prayer of winning in normal times, and the relative closeness of several of them (particularly during special elections where Democratic turnout has always faltered) is indicative more of the vulnerability of the Republican brand than it is the Democrats aren't far left enough, that if only they more fervently espoused socialism the fine cowboys of Montana would have come home to the party that left them.

Thank you, that article is steaming hot garbage, and I'm sick of it popping up in places with anything other than scorn.

[archibaldcrane]

The perceived vulnerability of national republicans is NOT a thing.

Then why are the margins in every special election so far 15ish points more Democratic on average than those districts' average presidential margins over the past two elections?

[archibaldcrane]

If the democrats were really, truly concerned about the ACHA, they should be doing everything in their fucking power to be winning elections like these, just so that's one less fucking vote for the republicans have when the bill gets back into the House.

You do realize that the Ossoff / Handel race is the most expensive in US history, right? The resources are there in the competitive races. Even super-longshot Quist raised 6 million, which is a fucking shitton for a House race.

[Byrthnoth]

And was still outspent about 2:1, yeah?

[Talint]

Then why are the margins in every special election so far 15ish points more Democratic on average than those districts' average presidential margins over the past two elections?

I mean... horseshoes and hand grenades. Hillary got two million more votes, and she still ain't president. Goal is to win, not come close.

I might be being purposefully obtuse in rejecting the idea of a democratic wave election that gets them back the house even as history confronts me in the face, but considering the massive enthusiasm gap there is between republicans and democrats, I am not convinced that it's going to happen yet. Republicans LIKE Trump. Trump has his base and they are coming out for him. "Republicans are bad" is a dumb democratic message that excites HIS base.

You do realize that the Ossoff / Handel race is the most expensive in US history, right? The resources are there in the competitive races. Even super-longshot Quist raised 6 million, which is a fucking shitton for a House race.

oh no rolling stone again

Mind the outside money gap.
All in, more than $17 million was spent on the Montana special election – about $17 for every man, woman and child in the state. Despite limited support from the national party – some $600,000 – Quist was not cash-poor. The party's grassroots kept Montana in play by raising an eye-popping $6 million in small-dollar donations. Quist outraised Gianforte, who had to lend his own campaign $1.5 million. The math of campaign funds + party spending was more or less equal on both sides. But billionaire-backed GOP outside groups like the Congressional Leadership Fund ran wild in this race, outspending Democratic-aligned groups by roughly $4 million.

The early money matters.
Those outside groups spent big on early attack ads to define Quist, during a vulnerable period in mid-April when the Democrat was not able to defend himself; Quist was still catching on with Democratic grassroots donors, and the DCCC was silent on the sidelines. A GOP operative bragged to the Washington Post, "We knew that because Rob Quist was an unknown quantity with voters, we had the ability to define him negatively out of the gates." Those early attacks – some of them substantive, targeting Quist's past tax and debt troubles and highlighting a rare gaffe in which Quist seemed to back a gun registry – put Quist at an early disadvantage that he never fully recovered from.

[Salodin]

Is this the thread where we continue to remain optimistic in defeat? Can't wait until 2018 elections when this democratic fad dies.

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[Fiye]

Could you imagine if Trump gave libs an infrastructure Bill? Fuck he'd have the country eating out of his hand.

[Headspace]

Could you imagine if Trump gave libs an infrastructure Bill? Fuck he'd have the country eating out of his hand.

What more do they want? He's already going to expand the number of charter schools.