DNC Restructuring

**Day** · 2017-09-12 15:57

i legit thought she was tan

**archibaldcrane** · 2017-09-12 16:01

Nah those upper-crust Indian cultural elites are light-skinned as fuck, India is shadist as hell lol.

But yes, very very Indian

father Ajit Singh Randhawa and mother Raj Kaur Randhawa, are immigrants from Amritsar District, Punjab, India.

**archibaldcrane** · 2017-09-12 16:02

I look forward to the dank turban memes though

**archibaldcrane** · 2017-09-12 16:02

Originally Posted by Day

i legit thought she was tan

you don't see race

**Day** · 2017-09-12 16:03

color blind af my man

**Dimmauk** · 2017-09-12 17:26

Originally Posted by Day

color blind af my man

So this is why you call everyone the n word?

**Day** · 2017-09-12 17:35

It is

**Fiye** · 2017-09-12 17:35

Originally Posted by Dimmauk

So this is why you call everyone the n word?

At least he doesn't stream it.

Or make youtubers fear the second coming of the adpocalypse.

**Day** · 2017-09-13 08:14

hitlerys interpretation of 1984 is fantastical

**Moridam** · 2017-09-13 09:04

if you want a picture of the future, imagine alternative facts without verrit codes stomping on the discourse, forever

**Prim** · 2017-09-13 10:12

Originally Posted by Day

hitlerys interpretation of 1984 is fantastical

**Talint** · 2017-09-13 11:10

Teflon Don confounds Democrats

Data from a range of focus groups and internal polls in swing states paint a difficult picture for the Democratic Party heading into the 2018 midterms and 2020 presidential election. It suggests that Democrats are naive if they believe Trump’s historically low approval numbers mean a landslide is coming. The party is defending 10 Senate seats in states that Trump won and needs to flip 24 House seats to take control of that chamber.

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Worse news, they worry: Many of the ideas party leaders have latched onto in an attempt to appeal to their lost voters — free college tuition, raising the minimum wage to $15, even Medicare for all — test poorly among voters outside the base. The people in these polls and focus groups tend to see those proposals as empty promises, at best.

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Voters are also generally unimpressed by claims that Trump exaggerates or lies, and they don’t see the ongoing Russia investigation adding up to much.

**Gredival** · 2017-09-13 13:07

Hillary almost proposed a universal basic income program on the campaign trail, but didn't think the numbers worked.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ource=facebook

If only she was like Bernie and didn't care about making the numbers work.

**tyven** · 2017-09-13 13:09

Dems should really stop caring about "making the numbers work" the numbers worked for like 1 year in 1999. the numbers never fucking work. lets stop funding shitty fucking wars and take care of vulnerable people

**Andalusian girls** · 2017-09-13 13:18

a good point prolonged deficit spending has never produced negative effects in the history of government

**Gredival** · 2017-09-13 13:19

Serious question tyven, what do you think would be the terminal result of Dems overpromising and failing to deliver?

This isn't about if Hillary should have done it or not, this is about what the party should be doing right now. Talint is talking about how far left policy proposals aren't resonating because people see it as empty promises. The Dems can't deliver on any promised agenda item pre-2020 without control of both chambers.

**tyven** · 2017-09-13 13:20

Originally Posted by Andalusian girls

a good point prolonged deficit spending has never produced negative effects in the history of government

Nice try tax cut supporting war monger but you have to wake up pretty early in the morning to pull one over on ol tyven!

**tyven** · 2017-09-13 13:27

Originally Posted by Gredival

Serious question tyven, what do you think would be the terminal result of Dems overpromising and failing to deliver?

This isn't about if Hillary should have done it or not, this is about what the party should be doing right now. Talint is talking about how far left policy proposals aren't resonating because people see it as empty promises. The Dems can't deliver on any promised agenda item pre-2020 without control of both chambers.

Pres front runners getting on board for a bill they don't actually support is fine in the current political climate. Republicans voted for half a decade to repeal obamacare with no real plan which we've seen play out for the entire year.

I'm not sure how many see it as empty promises, at the very least I see it has dems willing to mend the rift on the left while trying to drum up enthusiasm for 2018. I'm not sure even how empty the promises are. Shaheen actually had a tight race in 2014 and signed on. New Dems are still staying away. There could actually be something to this.

Regardless, Its important for Dems to show they can actually win some fucking elections, and not pandering to the center is a good start imo. If centrist republicans stayed with Trump I'm willing to roll the dice that Centrist Dems won't abandon ship over healthcare.

**archibaldcrane** · 2017-09-13 13:37

Originally Posted by Gredival

The Dems can't deliver on any promised agenda item pre-2020 without control of both chambers.

What are you talking about, there's a chance they'll get to pass the DREAM act without control of any part of government.

**Gredival** · 2017-09-13 13:38

Originally Posted by tyven

Republicans voted for half a decade to repeal obamacare with no real plan which we've seen play out for the entire year.

I'm not sure how many see it as empty promises, at the very least I see it has dems willing to mend the rift on the left while trying to drum up enthusiasm for 2018. I'm not sure even how empty the promises are. Shaheen actually had a tight race in 2014 and signed on. New Dems are still staying away. There could actually be something to this.

I think the problem with this is that the left (not as a faction but as a political whole) probably has a lot less patience for the Dems to deliver on a promised agenda. If we're all accepting that the party has to give people something to "vote FOR" just to motivate them to vote, how much patience do you think people will have for the legislative process? You can be sure that there will be record breaking GOP obstructionism preventing a leftist agenda unless the Dems make it to 60.

My worry is that basically it'll be a repeat of people getting disenfranchised with Obama promising to change Washington. Then we circle back to the "The Dems don't/can't do anything for us" phase of this circle.

Regardless, Its important for Dems to show they can actually win some fucking elections, and not pandering to the center is a good start imo. If centrist republicans stayed with Trump I'm willing to roll the dice that Centrist Dems won't abandon ship over healthcare.

Sure, but 1) the centrist candidates did better in the special elections than the progressives and 2) the Dems will need 60 to get any of this done which is a tall order.

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

What are you talking about, there's a chance they'll get to pass the DREAM act without control of any part of government.

I'm talking about this theoretical "We can win if we steer left" agenda that the party critics want the leadership and rank-and-file to embrace.

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