DNC Restructuring

[tyven]

I think the problem with this is that the left (not as a faction but as a political whole) probably has a lot less patience for the Dems to deliver on a promised agenda. If we're all accepting that the party has to give people something to "vote FOR" just to motivate them to vote, how much patience do you think people will have for the legislative process? You can be sure that there will be record breaking GOP obstructionism preventing a leftist agenda unless the Dems make it to 60.

My worry is that basically it'll be a repeat of people getting disenfranchised with Obama promising to change Washington. Then we circle back to the "The Dems don't/can't do anything for us" phase of this circle.



Sure, but 1) the centrist candidates did better in the special elections than the progressives and 2) the Dems will need 60 to get any of this done which is a tall order.



I'm talking about this theoretical "We can win if we steer left" agenda that the party critics want the leadership and rank-and-file to embrace.

I imagine there will be less patience but leadership rhetoric will go a long way, if dems grow a spine and refuse concession the way Rs do it could buy time and continue building toward good will, a lot of this will hinge on Dems improving their farm system at the state level. I think Harris will walk into the white house in 2020 at this point. circling back, as you said is a very real outcome but until Dems find a way to actually win centrists they should try tapping the uninspired youth.

A more measured take will be that as long as the country is gerrymandered to the degree it is it really doesn't fucking matter where dems run. I'd like to see them continue to lose with a spine than continue to lose while conceding everything republicans ask for.

[Headspace]

Sure, but 1) the centrist candidates did better in the special elections than the progressives

Cool how many are in congress

[archibaldcrane]

As the Obamacare exchanges slowly (or quickly) becomes worse and worse, there is only one place for Democrats left to turn. We might as well get ready to be aspirational while we are out of power so we have a solution to sell when we return to power.

[archibaldcrane]

A more measured take will be that as long as the country is gerrymandered to the degree it is it really doesn't fucking matter where dems run. I'd like to see them continue to lose with a spine than continue to lose while conceding everything republicans ask for.

There's a definite chance they retake the house in 2018 despite gerrymandering. I see getting 60 in the Senate as a far larger hurdle, and ultimately if the thing stopping single payer is 60 in the Senate, the legislative filibuster should be removed or lowered as necessary.

This is all 2020-at-the-earliest stuff, but yeah.

[Gredival]

Cool how many are in congress

Left: 0. Neolibs: 0. Donnie: 4

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Left: 0. Neolibs: 0. Donnie: 4

Nice.

[Moridam]

I'm talking about this theoretical "We can win if we steer left" agenda that the party critics want the leadership and rank-and-file to embrace.

i'll take an unproven leftward agenda over yet more of the sensible centrist plan, which has yielded nothing but massive, uncompromising failure over the last decade

[tyven]

i'll take an unproven leftward agenda over yet more of the sensible centrist plan, which has yielded nothing but massive, uncompromising failure over the last decade

Can't wait to stunt on mother fuckers in fly ass shoes riding a leftist agenda straight to the TOP

[Gredival]

i'll take an unproven leftward agenda over yet more of the sensible centrist plan, which has yielded nothing but massive, uncompromising failure over the last decade

Because we really got nothing from Obama and it was really the same as if we had let McCain or Romney win.

[archibaldcrane]

I do enjoy feeling leftist buttholes clench a tiny bit as they realize "wait shit we're actually going for this and our politics will have to actually prove themselves now?"

Here we go.

[Quicklet]

There's a definite chance they retake the house in 2018 despite gerrymandering. I see getting 60 in the Senate as a far larger hurdle, and ultimately if the thing stopping single payer is 60 in the Senate, the legislative filibuster should be removed or lowered as necessary.

This is all 2020-at-the-earliest stuff, but yeah.

Really hope you mean 51 in the Senate. Short of another financial meltdown or catastrophic war, Democrats aren't going to be seeing 60 until the South turns blue to make up for the Midwest turning red. Gorsuch gonna help gerrymander the shit out of 2018 and 2020.

[Gredival]

Really hope you mean 51 in the Senate. Short of another financial meltdown or catastrophic war, Democrats aren't going to be seeing 60 until the South turns blue to make up for the Midwest turning red.

Considering that there is no world where the GOP lets UBI, medicare for all, or any other leftist agenda item pass when it has at least 41 votes, then I guess we're just arguing about nothing.

[Quicklet]

We just have to let Trump bait McConnell into nuking the filibuster before the next time Republicans lose the senate.

[Headspace]

Because we really got nothing from Obama and it was really the same as if we had let McCain or Romney win.

You could argue that for a lot of the population and several Muslim countries, yeah.

[Andalusian girls]

i'll take an unproven leftward agenda over yet more of the sensible centrist plan, which has yielded nothing but massive, uncompromising failure over the last decade

besides you know two presidential terms a Senate Majority for 8 years and House majority for 4

[archibaldcrane]

Really hope you mean 51 in the Senate. Short of another financial meltdown or catastrophic war, Democrats aren't going to be seeing 60 until the South turns blue to make up for the Midwest turning red. Gorsuch gonna help gerrymander the shit out of 2018 and 2020.

You completely missed what I was saying.

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[tyven]

besides you know two presidential terms a Senate Majority for 8 years and House majority for 4

all of which overlapped for a whopping 2 years.

[tyven]

I do enjoy feeling leftist buttholes clench a tiny bit as they realize "wait shit we're actually going for this and our politics will have to actually prove themselves now?"

Here we go.

A bold move by those on the left. Almost as bold as promising change we could believe in.

[archibaldcrane]

Booker confirmed for the left

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[tyven]

besides you know two presidential terms a Senate Majority for 8 years and House majority for 4

also once-in-a-generation black charisma paired with once-in-a-generation two term doofus had a LOT to do with this. Those that took power had everything to do with pissing it away. Just in time for the 2010 census