DNC Restructuring

[archibaldcrane]

7.5 percent income-based premium paid by employers
Revenue raised: $3.9 trillion over ten years.

4 percent income-based premium paid by households
Revenue raised: $3.5 trillion over ten years.

Savings from Health Tax Expenditures
Revenue raised: $4.2 trillion over ten years.

These 3 alone get you to 1.16T/year, and would involve savings for most (all?) businesses and most workers.

Then you add

Make the Personal Income Tax More Progressive (this is only affecting earners of 250k or more)
Revenue raised: $1.8 trillion over ten years.

Establish a Wealth Tax on the Top 0.1 percent (1% wealth tax for top 0.1% of households - 21 million in wealth or more)
Revenue raised: $1.3 trillion over ten years.

Impose a one-time tax on currently held offshore profits (this feels gimmicky to be perfectly honest)
Revenue raised: $767 billion over ten years.

That's another 390 billion a year, bringing you up to 1.55T/year. That's a damn low-end estimate for universal coverage but it's at least getting there. There's a few other taxes I didn't highlight here but they only amount to roughly another 80B a year.

He doesn't touch a VAT in this proposal but that's an obvious other avenue that most countries deploy to help pay for their health care systems. Personally I think the wealth tax should be a tad more aggressive, I want to taste succulent fatcat blood when I go in for a free physical.

[Andalusian girls]

You made a statement trying to equate endless quagmire spending (which you're now retconning to "defense") to health care spending on an intellectual level.

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no, i didn't father fucker. most of Bush's deficit spending did not come from the War on Terror but from his tax cuts, his increases in non-war related Defense spending following the years of Clinton's cuts, his 2003 Medicare expansion (irony), and from measures dealing with the Great Recession / the lowered revenue that accompanies economic contraction. it was you and Talint that reductively went the wars v. healthcare route.

[tyven]

I think you are all forgetting about trickle down healthenomics. The most access people have to regular and preventative care the cheaper things become in the long run. whoopwhoop

[Gredival]

OH SHIT HERE WE GO ITS ON RACE WAAAAAR

[tyven]

Also I love that while I was out Archie found all the pay-fors do i didn't even have to do any work. Life is good!

[archibaldcrane]

I think you are all forgetting about trickle down healthenomics. The most access people have to regular and preventative care the cheaper things become in the long run. whoopwhoop

But if it's legit "free" at point of service, with zero copays or anything, there's the risk that a lot of unnecessary care that doesn't materially effect public health will be administered.

[archibaldcrane]

Also I love that while I was out Archie found all the pay-fors do i didn't even have to do any work. Life is good!

Remember that without a price tag, we have no idea whether those pay-fors will be anywhere near sufficient.

[tyven]

But if it's legit "free" at point of service, with zero copays or anything, there's the risk that a lot of unnecessary care that doesn't materially effect public health will be administered.

I was surprised he eliminated copays, even Conyers' bill has copays. Will be interested to see how it goes when we begin implementing it in 2036

[archibaldcrane]

I was surprised he eliminated copays

Tyven, meet Bernie

[Andalusian girls]

I think you are all forgetting about trickle down healthenomics. The most access people have to regular and preventative care the cheaper things become in the long run. whoopwhoop

a true truism of healthcare if ever there were one, and one of the main selling points of mandatory care. as Arch points out removing cost entirely may not be the best approach, but regardless i do wonder to exactly what magnitude savings would be realized by this trickle down. as previously mentioned those who would become insured under universal healthcare tend to be the youngest and the healthiest, and when trying to superimpose European cost efficiency onto our nation it is easy to forget things like our far higher obesity rates, and the logistical issues of scale that come with providing healthcare to a continent-sized polity. that there would be savings per unit of healthcare seems irrefutable, but many of the projections i have seen appear overly optimistic as we face structural impediments to delivering care that no other first world nation does.

i will say, if the savings are ever proven to be what is promised you'd catch even this free marketeer hopping aboard the singlepayer train. i don't think it's the best way to provide healthcare but if it prevents the federal government's looming insolvency choochoo.

[Zealot]

no, i didn't father fucker. most of Bush's deficit spending did not come from the War on Terror but from his tax cuts, his increases in non-war related Defense spending following the years of Clinton's cuts, his 2003 Medicare expansion (irony), and from measures dealing with the Great Recession / the lowered revenue that accompanies economic contraction. it was you and Talint that reductively went the wars v. healthcare route.

Listen unclefucker, I don't believe your original post was clear in that regard and if you can take a break from all the gay incest maybe I could agree that on a complex level that kind of talk is reductionist and even the $4.1T price tag of 2 wars over 15 years (expected to reach closer to $10T) doesn't even touch the amount we've spent on healthcare in that same time, but the basic premise of healthcare spending > other spending will still hold true. If the government was going to make choices that drove us trillions of dollars into debt, investment in healthcare will see a return on that spending a lot faster than letting the wealthiest people get wealthier or dropping bombs on distant brown people.

[GoggleHead]

I think you are all forgetting about trickle down healthenomics. The most access people have to regular and preventative care the cheaper things become in the long run. whoopwhoop

Does this mean it can be socially acceptable to say "no fat chicks" again? Seems like solid preventative care.

[tyven]

Does this mean it can be socially acceptable to say "no fat chicks" again? Seems like solid preventative care.

You're actually doing them a favor and looking out for their long term well being! I encourage this behavior

[Moridam]

wait did i seriously just see scaremongering over US deficits because of goddamned greece? does the ECB control our monetary policy now? is the US no longer monetarily sovereign?

[Zetanio]

wait did i seriously just see scaremongering over US deficits because of goddamned greece? does the ECB control our monetary policy now? is the US no longer monetarily sovereign?

Comparing someone to Greece is really mean.

They are the most pants on head retarded country.

I did so much analysis on their debt structure it made me never want to visit their country for fear of societal collapse.

[kuronosan]

It's interesting that the DNC is making this gamble. If they win, they look really good. If they lose, they can make Bernie and ultra-liberals look really, really bad.

[Fiye]

It's interesting that the DNC is making this gamble. If they win, they look really good. If they lose, they can make Bernie and ultra-liberals look really, really bad.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...m_npd_nn_tw_np

lol no

[archibaldcrane]

Damn, maybe we should've had Ellison run the DNC, his press secretary is amazing lol

http://freebeacon.com/culture/keith-...aricature/amp/

[Fiye]

[tyven]

Damn, maybe we should've had Ellison run the DNC, his press secretary is amazing lol

http://freebeacon.com/culture/keith-...aricature/amp/

What sucks is he's actually leaving, they started trying to fill the position in early August.