Climate Change

[archibaldcrane]

Damn I could buy a R/T flight to Honolulu from LAX leaving TODAY for $467 (or vice-versa).

[Zetanio]

676 for me from NY.

[Xno Kappa]

Boooo. 954 here out of Dulles.

[Mythe_Seraph]

I dont understand what you're arguing. Are you saying price gouging in the events leading up to a state wide emergency shouldn't be illegal because supply and demand are real things?

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Not arguing the gouging but making sweeping claims about capitalism in light of an event like this is silly.

[Salodin]

But the reason it's happening is because it follows capitalistic ideals. They didn't create an algorithm that does what it does because its uncapitalistic, they did it because that's how capitalistic societies work. When demand is up, prices goes up, and unfortunately that rule doesn't take into account life threatening acts of God. This airline didn't take into account life threatening acts of God, and people are pointing out how capitalistic goals shouldn't be the goal we aim for here.

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[zoobernut]

Or there should be a person behind the automated algorithms who has the power to turn them off when appropriate to prevent situations like this. This seems similar in some ways to those products on Amazon where the pricing algorithm breaks and either the product is listed ridiculously cheap or the price continues to rise until you have a multi million dollar pair of underwear or other such trivial item. Algorithms are not infallible and when you rely on them thusly you get into trouble. I would think big companies would realize this by now.

[Zetanio]

I can't see the original picture.

[Eurell]

I can't see the original picture.

Just a pic of Delta charging $10k+ per ticket from hawaii to california

[Zetanio]

Oh, seems normal.

[Fiye]

Someone deleted it I'll fix the OP

Spoiler: show

[Byrthnoth]

People voting with their dollar and their willingness and or availability to pay a specific price doesn't make capitalism a meritocracy where wealth define one's value. That's a skewed assessment for sure.

I must have written that in a really confusing way. I was saying that capitalism allocates services and goods (including those that are potentially life essential) to individuals on the basis of wealth. Those who sing the praises of capitalism as an infallible system usually do so because they draw a correlation between wealth and merit, like the current president and Republicans past and present.

The most educated 25% of people live about 7 years longer on average than the last educated 25% within the US (Table 6: http://crr.bc.edu/wp-content/uploads.../wp_2017-2.pdf ). The paper is using education as a proxy for SES. Anyway, point is that people who roll low at the start of life carry that weight through the rest of the game and it kills them faster.

[dasva]

Damn I could buy a R/T flight to Honolulu from LAX leaving TODAY for $467 (or vice-versa).

Can get even cheaper out of SFO

[Mythe_Seraph]

I must have written that in a really confusing way. I was saying that capitalism allocates services and goods (including those that are potentially life essential) to individuals on the basis of wealth. Those who sing the praises of capitalism as an infallible system usually do so because they draw a correlation between wealth and merit, like the current president and Republicans past and present.

The most educated 25% of people live about 7 years longer on average than the last educated 25% within the US (Table 6: http://crr.bc.edu/wp-content/uploads.../wp_2017-2.pdf ). The paper is using education as a proxy for SES. Anyway, point is that people who roll low at the start of life carry that weight through the rest of the game and it kills them faster.

I understand what you're saying I just don't agree with it. It's one thing to say capitalism isn't perfect it's another to say that it's the cause of all the problems and has led to there being an average length of life disparity of 7 years between the top and bottom quarters of educated individuals within a capitalistic country.

"The study finds that when SES is defined in this way – relatively – inequality in mortality by SES is increasing but life expectancies have also increased across SES groups. The study also finds that white women in the bottom of the education distribution have experienced the least improvement of any group."

Your article is saying that while a disparity may be emerging the relative life expectancy of both ends of the spectrum are increasing in the abstract (I'll read more of this later since it is an interesting study). This is like the tortoise and the hair only you seem to have it twisted thinking the tortoise is running backwards. It's making progress too. A surprising statement is that white women in the bottom of the education distribution have experienced the least improvement of any group yet women are a majority of college graduates as of 2017. Another interesting notation is that our lowest educated demographic are also the ones that generate the most offspring.

Have you seen similar statistics that demonstrate the massive increase in quality of life, standard of living, education level and life expectancy combined with the radical decrease of poverty in relationship to the implementation of capitalism?

It's not a perfect system but it's hard to argue that some of the many flaws have been due to human abuse and unethical practice. Once again these are choices being made (albeit bad ones). Not necessities of the system itself.

[Byrthnoth]

We still seem to be talking past each other. I like the free market as a great and very efficient way to allocate resources. I think some form of tempered capitalism (perhaps individuals shouldn't pay for healthcare, for instance) is almost certainly the best solution for society.

Capitalism allocates resources, but it is amoral. It isn't good or bad, just efficient.

For instance, teachers are paid like shit. Does that mean that our supply of teachers is too high? No, it means that some people to choose to work for less due to extrinsic factors (caring about kids) and probably sacrifice some health and happiness for it. Increasing teacher salaries instead of leveraging their willingness to live in poverty for their kids is the moral thing to do, but it's not what capitalism calls for.


(this was the thrust of my last paragraph in my original post)

[Salodin]

Bruh are you saying you don't support pure capitalism and instead want to mix some socialist programs in for good measure?

[Fiye]

That's basically what's being referred to as socialism in the states right now. Capitalism but with actually funded welfare programs that ensure the poor don't get destroyed. I don't think anyone outside of the far left (Some Chapo hosts, Antifada, etc...) are calling for actual nationalization of industries.

[dasva]

One thing about teachers salaries there have been a few articles in several public school districts in Cali in recent years where they've found while teachers wages were more or less stagnant the administration would see ridiculous gains in wages and even often non monetary perks like vehicles and such. Even state funded public programs can be less than ideal

[Salodin]

Education admins make bank for doing shitty things like forcing common core, which is why most teachers never have favorable things to say about admin above the principal level lol.

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[archibaldcrane]

California Governor Jerry Brown just signed SB100 into law, which mandates that California achieve 100% carbon-free electricity (60% from non-hydro renewables) by 2045.

Then he followed it up with an executive order to achieve carbon neutrality across all sectors (not just electricity) by 2045 as well.

This is both extremely necessary and extremely daunting.

[Zetanio]

Daunting is fine. Ecological capitalism is dope af. Good on Jerry.