Climate Change

[Day]

https://twitter.com/brainsturbator/s...183785987?s=20

[Lokus]

What's wrong with that? Looks like nature going to put out the fires to me.

[Salodin]

Would be great if Japan could send a tsunami sometime soon...

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[6souls]

https://twitter.com/MPRnews/status/1297953065467691014

[Lokus]

https://twitter.com/drvox/status/130...536989185?s=19

Only linking this cause a wild archi appeared in my timeline.

https://twitter.com/archibaldcrane/s...869499906?s=19

[Jaybar]

Does Archi not know what pollution is. I'm shocked I tell you.

[archibaldcrane]

We must protect our landfills from plastic...bag...pollution?

[Tyrath]

Weird looking landfill

[Roranora]

We must protect our landfills from plastic...bag...pollution?

it may be our most lasting remnant in the fossil record, our plastics. archi just wants our resource mismanagement to present more prominently

[Salodin]

I'll save you guys a page. Archi doesn't count landfills as pollutants cause thats where the garbage is supposed to go. If the garbage is not there, thats not a pollution problem thats a waste management problem.

Still sucks that we have entire industries making shit garbage like plastic bags, also a silly hair to split lol

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[archibaldcrane]

I was more objecting to the highlighting of individual behavior as opposed to systems.

It's a bad path to go down, leading to malthusianism and ecofascism.

Humans are the virus, etc

[Psion]

the way i see it, if you're using a material that's able to last for thousands of years without biodegrading completely... it should be made into something intended to last for that long. use materials that suit the object at hand. you wouldn't use priceless allagan resin and garlean synthetics and hand it to some complete novice carpenter to make their first bow, would you? plastics are highly durable, highly flexible, and just freaking amazing. they shouldn't be used for one shot dealies to bag groceries, then tossed casually away to be mistaken for a jellyfish by some poor seag...well ok, so no one cares about the seagull, BUT IT'S THE THINGS THAT EAT THE SEAGULL AFTERWARD THAT'S THE ISSUE.

treating such materials so casually like that leads to a feedback loop - more people grow up around thinking such materials should be treated with such careless abandon, and it gets harder and harder to cultivate a proper respect for our planet and the massive impact we have on it by our actions.

[archibaldcrane]

the way i see it, if you're using a material that's able to last for thousands of years without biodegrading completely... it should be made into something intended to last for that long.

This is my point, obsessing over single use plastics leads down a slope directly to "no plastics should be used at all" and then you start looking at other materials humans use for environmental harm and end up in a catastrophizing mindset that humans only cause harm and nature is more important.

Should we encourage reusable bags? Sure! I use them all the time. But bemoaning that people aren't constantly in a state of self-flagellation for consuming plastic is bad!

[Boyiee]

I put disposable diapers in a disposable plastic diaper bag inside a plastic diaper pale.

3 levels of waste, come at me.

Then it goes in a big plastic robocan but that thing might actually last 1000 years.

[Psion]

honestly, resusable bags are trash too. those things seem to last like maybe a few months to a years or two at most before they start to rip apart from the weight of groceries from what ive seen. i got a freezer bag and it lasted 3 weeks. a lot of those things are just, again, not treated with the proper respect to the material that their made with. plastics are wonder materials, and they're treated like garbage.

if i want a resusable bag that's supposed to save the earth by my using it over and over, i want the damn thing to become a family heirloom, not something that lasts a year or two before a hole opens in it and it has to be recycled or gods forbid, wind up in a seagulls gullet, or worse, a sea turtles.

[Tymon]

bemoaning that people aren't constantly in a state of self-flagellation

This encapsulates the entire argumentative standpoint for a huge subset of people.

[Salodin]

honestly, resusable bags are trash too. those things seem to last like maybe a few months to a years or two at most before they start to rip apart from the weight of groceries from what ive seen. i got a freezer bag and it lasted 3 weeks. a lot of those things are just, again, not treated with the proper respect to the material that their made with. plastics are wonder materials, and they're treated like garbage.

if i want a resusable bag that's supposed to save the earth by my using it over and over, i want the damn thing to become a family heirloom, not something that lasts a year or two before a hole opens in it and it has to be recycled or gods forbid, wind up in a seagulls gullet, or worse, a sea turtles.

Still better than plastic

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[Byrthnoth]

if you can't find good reusable bags, find a mid-30s white lady who looks the part and ask her if she has any extra

she will have extra

then you will have as many reusable bags as you want.

[Qalbert]

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/89769...ld-be-recycled

Rogue, like most recycling companies, had been sending plastic trash to China, but when China shut its doors two years ago, Leebrick scoured the U.S. for buyers. She could find only someone who wanted white milk jugs. She sends the soda bottles to the state.

But when Leebrick tried to tell people the truth about burying all the other plastic, she says people didn't want to hear it.

"I remember the first meeting where I actually told a city council that it was costing more to recycle than it was to dispose of the same material as garbage," she says, "and it was like heresy had been spoken in the room: You're lying. This is gold. We take the time to clean it, take the labels off, separate it and put it here. It's gold. This is valuable."

But it's not valuable, and it never has been. And what's more, the makers of plastic — the nation's largest oil and gas companies — have known this all along, even as they spent millions of dollars telling the American public the opposite.

NPR and PBS Frontline spent months digging into internal industry documents and interviewing top former officials. We found that the industry sold the public on an idea it knew wouldn't work — that the majority of plastic could be, and would be, recycled — all while making billions of dollars selling the world new plastic.

The industry's awareness that recycling wouldn't keep plastic out of landfills and the environment dates to the program's earliest days, we found. "There is serious doubt that [recycling plastic] can ever be made viable on an economic basis," one industry insider wrote in a 1974 speech.

Yet the industry spent millions telling people to recycle, because, as one former top industry insider told NPR, selling recycling sold plastic, even if it wasn't true.

[Jaybar]

I, too, was one of the consumers that bought into plastic recycling - and even encouraged it. When I discovered how difficult it was to prep and sort, I knew this was not viable. Asking consumers to remove labels, sort plastics, and prevent contamination is too tall an order for Americans who just want to get rid of waste never see it again (no matter where it ends up).