115th United States Congress

[Ksandra]

No matter how much money or teacher at it you are never going to stop the above if you keep passing people who clearly should be failing

The point of having more teachers is to do more tiered learning, so you can get those advanced kids in more advanced curriculum and the lesser kids in more modified curriculum.


And yes, I get it's a problem we are passing kids in was they shouldn't pass. Trust me. I am under a lot of pressure to pass X amount of students. And even when they fail, they end up in English recovery which is just another way to make them "pass" so they can graduate. However, there are a lot of jobs out there that those kids can easily handle that require a HS diploma. Which tells me, again, if you add more courses, colleges can select students who are college-bound based on said courses.

[Kaslo]

Doesn't help that metrics for school funding disincentivize failing students

[kuronosan]

The point of having more teachers is to do more tiered learning, so you can get those advanced kids in more advanced curriculum and the lesser kids in more modified curriculum.


And yes, I get it's a problem we are passing kids in was they shouldn't pass. Trust me. I am under a lot of pressure to pass X amount of students. And even when they fail, they end up in English recovery which is just another way to make them "pass" so they can graduate. However, there are a lot of jobs out there that those kids can easily handle that require a HS diploma. Which tells me, again, if you add more courses, colleges can select students who are college-bound based on said courses.

Really what you are outlining is an inherent problem with metrics. Metrics rule everything. People fix metrics like they fix scientific studies so that the data matches their goal. When funding is based on metrics you are naturally going to a create an endless feedback loop of "Well we can't fail these shitty students because then we lose money and we'll have to fail more students" followed by graduating shitty students.

The solution is to stop using a fucking number to determine what you should get when there are more dynamic ways of representing statistics within a curriculum.

[Darus Grey]

Edit: C-'s (and maybe D+? idr) get you promoted to the next level and there is huge pressure from the deans and stuff (of the engineering programs, not the math programs) to not fail students because all that matters is 4-year matriculation rate for rankings.

This was why I left academia and went back into private industry fulltime, I got constantly chewed out by the Dean of engineering for failing students who just so clearly earned their F; Never showed up to class beyond the first day, took none of the tests, did none of the projects, made some excuse they couldn't back up with documentation, and when the Dean de facto ordered me to let this student "make up the work", the work he turned in was clearly plagiarized. Variations of this scenario happened every semester, but after that one I reported the kid to the ethics committee, gave him an F and resigned.

AFAIK the dean over-turned my decision and ended up passing him.

[BerenTebogo]

Sounds 100% like the engineering program where Leah teaches. If you don’t keep up those 4-year matriculation rates you wont make enough money! Who cares if you just churned out a structural engineer who can’t check his own algebra and doesn’t understand forces.

[Ksandra]

The solution is to stop using a fucking number to determine what you should get when there are more dynamic ways of representing statistics within a curriculum.

I agree with all of what you said; however, even in a dynamic manner I still don't think the funding is enough. We don't have the resources to do classes like we used to, even in the best of schools.

[arus2001]

Someone should try to convince the government that investing more tax dollars into schooling makes better soldiers, thus it's a military investment.

[dasva]

Someone should try to convince the government that investing more tax dollars into schooling makes better soldiers, thus it's a military investment.

But then who will be the cooks and inventory guys!?! Honestly decent sections don't want more well rounded learned soldiers they want people that do as they are told and trained. But yeah the ones that do want smarter are or were hurting to maintain manning

[Zealot]

Roy Moore's communications director resigned. No idea if he has someone else lined up but losing the person in charge of all your publicity and messaging 3 weeks before an election isn't good.

Gonna be so crazy when he wins anyway.

[Deftscythe]

Gonna be so crazy when he wins anyway.

Is it? I would be interested to see what people here are expecting. For myself, I'm fulling expecting Moore to win.

[Tyrath]

Is it? I would be interested to see what people here are expecting. For myself, I'm fulling expecting Moore to win.

Electing a pedophile to office is still pretty crazy.

[Deftscythe]

Electing a pedophile to office is still pretty crazy.

I guess. Honestly, when Trump won despite the pussy tape I stopped expecting people's decency to affect their votes.

[Zealot]

If only the pussy tape was the only morally offensive/criminal part of Trump's campaign that didn't matter in the end.

[arus2001]

But then who will be the cooks and inventory guys!?! Honestly decent sections don't want more well rounded learned soldiers they want people that do as they are told and trained. But yeah the ones that do want smarter are or were hurting to maintain manning

I was being silly in so much that the more educated someone is, the less likely they're probably going to want throw their lives away in the wars of old rich white dudes.

[dasva]

I was being silly in so much that the more educated someone is, the less likely they're probably going to want throw their lives away in the wars of old rich white dudes.

Interestingly enough one of most common reasons for joining the military is not to fight but to earn an education. Though so many don't end up using the Bill so idk

[Zealot]

Rep. Joe Barton of Texas latest victim of the Fappening, equality.

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[Ezek]

I was being silly in so much that the more educated someone is, the less likely they're probably going to want throw their lives away in the wars of old rich white dudes.

idk man the military has provided me job training, self improvement, networking, multiple certifications (CCNA/Sec+/Net+/A+), on top of the GI bill. Tuition assistance is pretty sweet as you can double dip with FASFA/Pell Grant. Since it just looks at total income (without looking into benefits such as housing/BAS/medical, etc) you end up being poor as fuck on paper so I usually end up pocketing the latter's money with how much I get.

Military is a legit option if you're looking for a free ride to a bachelors or even graduate school if you plan well enough. Riding zero debt right now and it feels great.

[Gredival]

Someone should try to convince the government that investing more tax dollars into schooling makes better soldiers, thus it's a military investment.

"Smart soldier" investment is an actual debate in military strategy. It's part of the debate about whether hegemony still relies on our ground troop footprint or whether we've advanced technologically to the point where we can rely on highly trained special forces and supplement them with things like drone pilots.

Like there's actual (pro-military side) literature out there that advocates for getting the jROTC out of school not because its a form of child soldier conditioning, but because we want smart soldiers that go to college not high school drop outs.

[Dimmauk]

Rep. Joe Barton of Texas latest victim of the Fappening, equality.

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This story made my LOL hard. So now he is a victim of revenge porn.

[archibaldcrane]

This story made my LOL hard. So now he is a victim of revenge porn.

He threatened to have the capitol police arrest one of the women he was banging lol

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