115th United States Congress

[archibaldcrane]

We're not asking for a DSA candidate. Literally couldn't say she voted for Obama. How the fuck you think a dem is gonna get elected if the dem doesn't even believe in the party. =/

Uh, she did get elected, and re-elected, as Secretary of State, as a Democrat, statewide, in Kentucky.

Expecting her to be able to beat an incumbent Republican Senator in a midterm year with a president in the opposite party, in Kentucky, is a huge reach.

And no measure of candidate quality makes up for a 16 point loss.

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[archibaldcrane]

Had a chance to kick mcconnell out in 2014

Your mistake is thinking this statement is even remotely true

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[Talint]

As always, liberals run flawless campaigns and everything else costs them elections.

[Xno Kappa]

As always, liberals run flawless campaigns and everything else costs them elections.

But was it at least a moral victory? These are the questions that matter for liberals in elections.

[Talint]

You could spin a wheel and come up with excuses every single time.

"It was a mid-term!"
"He was an incumbent!"
"She was too far to the left!"
"Misogeny!"
"He was pro-choice!"

It's kind of awesome because even I realize ousting McConnell was a ridiculous stretch goal, but heaven forbid insinuating a liberal candidate might just be shit.

[Tyche]

Again, who was better?

[Zealot]

Are we using relativity? Because it's hard to be a shittier candidate than Mitch McConnell.

[Tyche]

You could spin a wheel and come up with excuses every single time.

"It was a mid-term!"
"He was an incumbent!"
"She was too far to the left!"
"Misogeny!"
"He was pro-choice!"

It's kind of awesome because even I realize ousting McConnell was a ridiculous stretch goal, but heaven forbid insinuating a liberal candidate might just be shit.

Or...just maybe, Kentucky politics are a little more nuanced than you understand?

[Tyche]

Are we using relativity? Because it's hard to be a shittier candidate than Mitch McConnell.

McConnell is a shitty candidate with HEAVY corporate funding in the state. He's difficult to primary. I work for a moderately sized hospital group and the number of administrators and physicians that throw thousands at him is just disgusting. I wanted to vomit after seeing doctors I respect had thrown thousands at him when I looked through FEC filings.

[kuronosan]

Tyche I'm not at all surprised, and most of it seems to be a function of where they lived and how they were raised before med school.

I have seen classmates who literally think the patient is a child that needs doctors and nurses to baby their little boo boos and if they would just stop spending their money in iphones and quit smoking immediately they wouldn't have to worry about bills.

I'm not even lying.

[Talint]

But was it at least a moral victory? These are the questions that matter for liberals in elections.

I had a legit laugh at this.

Again, who was better?

Well, how about anyone who can admit that, as a democrat, Obama is the leader of their party and they voted for them. Let's take that as a baseline.

While I disagree with Chuck Todd that it disqualified Grimey, it became a story where is absolutely did not have to be. Like, does anybody really think this tack was good?

Or...just maybe, Kentucky politics are a little more nuanced than you understand?

I've never actually said DSA/Berniecrat could win in Kentucky, despite my repeated insistence in other threads about trying leftist candidates in southern states. I've specifically kept to Grimey and her campaign and her steadfast refusal to partake in retail, and how democrats in Kentucky ran away from their successes.

But, hey, what do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[archibaldcrane]

You said she's a terrible candidate, but haven't explained at all how she was able to win statewide twice in Kentucky despite that.

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[Talint]

You don't have to work retail politics to be elected secretary of state? Martha Coakley says hi.

Legit favorable conditions for her (already won as a democrat for AG, in a democrat state), and she still can't win, be it state senator or governor.

[archibaldcrane]

Comparing Massachusetts to Kentucky smh

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[Aerin]

Well, how about anyone who can admit that, as a democrat, Obama is the leader of their party and they voted for them. Let's take that as a baseline.

I'm honestly not sure why this is such a big deal? It reminds me of Trump calling out Obama for not saying the words, "Radical Islamic Terrorism."

[Ragnus]

Comparing Massachusetts to Kentucky smh

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No joke. We live on spite and hatred in MA.

[Dimmauk]

McConnell is a shitty candidate with HEAVY corporate funding in the state. He's difficult to primary. I work for a moderately sized hospital group and the number of administrators and physicians that throw thousands at him is just disgusting. I wanted to vomit after seeing doctors I respect had thrown thousands at him when I looked through FEC filings.

Ben Shapiro subbed in for Glen Beck's radio show. He sucked.

[Fiye]

Ben Shapiro subbed in for Glen Beck's radio show. He sucked.

Why did you listen?

[Dimmauk]

Why did you listen?

Spoiler: show

I'm retarded

[Ksandra]

I'm honestly not sure why this is such a big deal? It reminds me of Trump calling out Obama for not saying the words, "Radical Islamic Terrorism."

Same.

Admitting or not admitting who you voted for doesn't change anything.