115th United States Congress

[tyven]

Now Trump is on talking up the bill like it still is a good chance of moving through the House, lol.

debates tonight and votes tomorrow. they must think they are close. Minority Whip Hoyer sent a mass message this morning for dems to plan to stay in DC this weekend so I guess everyone saw it coming.

[Sho]

It's just long past time to disabuse yourself of this notion. There are no health policy wonks who think this bill is well-constructed, not even arch-conservative ones.

This I can do, though unfortunate.

I'd like to believe that there would be at least a few principled leaders on either side of the table who wouldn't play political games for more power and prestige, but I guess not.

[Byrthnoth]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/0...r-your-privacy

Senate wants to give your ISPs the right to sell your browsing information.

[archibaldcrane]

I mean, c'mon

Quinnipiac poll:



17% total approval, vs. 43% who "strongly" disapprove.

[Niiro]

17% total approval, vs. 43% who "strongly" disapprove.

[Talint]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/0...r-your-privacy

Senate wants to give your ISPs the right to sell your browsing information.

How does this get shoved into a reconciliation bill.

[archibaldcrane]

New CBO score is out after the manager's amendment, still shows 24 million fewer insured by 2026, but also shows it is more expensive, eating up most of the budget surplus the original provided. The old score showed a savings of $337 billion over 10 years, this one saves only $150 billion.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...overage-236437

Premium increases by 10-15% in 2018-2019 and decreases by 10% by 2026 remain unchanged.

[Andalusian girls]

billion*

[archibaldcrane]

fixt

[Andalusian girls]

I wanted to believe that too, but it became increasingly clear that he was willing to sell his soul to Trump just to pass some tax cuts for the rich. It's hard to undo that.

i don't respect his decision to eventually partially fall in line behind Trump, i don't respect politicians in general, but he resisted as long as could be expected given his position as party leader. as it became increasingly clear Trump was going to be the nominee it would have been political and policy suicide to retain a public opposition.

as for this legislation, it is not good, most not good. it is a reflection of House ideas yes but also the result of structural limitation as Republicans are constrained by the limits of reconciliation yet incapable of passing anything that requires more than a simple majority leaving them with these half-baked measures that satisfy no one. and its fundamental failing is the same as Obamacare's, it is health insurance reform, not healthcare reform; it does next to nothing to limit staggering and soaring costs in the industry.

as to his wonkishness or lack thereof, read his and Brady's tax plan. it is the most sophisticated blueprint for tax reform seen in Congress in decades.

[Melena]

I'm seriously interested in seeing how Spicer and Big Boss Trump will spin this loss if it happens. We should keep in mind this is just the House... not even the Senate yet.

Trump has already supposedly told those voting yes that they will blame democrats if it fails.

[Andalusian girls]

fixt

[archibaldcrane]

as to his wonkishness or lack thereof, read his and Brady's tax plan. it is the most sophisticated blueprint for tax reform seen in Congress in decades.

We'll get to find out in a couple months whether that effort to cut taxes goes better than this one has.

[Andalusian girls]

that it cuts taxes is by far the least interesting thing about it. exempting American exports from taxation, lowering the corporate tax rate below the rate of nations other than Chad and the United Arab Emirates, broad deduction and exemption elimination, doubling the standard deduction (those damn poor-hating Republicans), working with corporations to find a Laffer curve repatriation rate that will bring capital stored abroad back home while getting the federal government paid, no longer subsidizing risk in operating margins by a tax deductible that favors business debt over equity, etc. it streamlines and modernizes a poorly written, grotesquely bloated tax code whose present distortions and inefficiencies are legion.

success probability? not great. it is targeting oodles of entrenched interests and this healthcare fiasco is damaging the Republican brand and hollowing out their fabled unity.

[archibaldcrane]

Does he tackle the mortgage interest deduction or the business health insurance expense deduction in his master plan at all?

[Andalusian girls]

it is 40 pages of policy so forgive if i misremember but the charitable giving deduction and the mortgage interest deduction are i believe the only two of all itemized deductions that will remain, though some others are folded into the child tax credit.

[Zealot]

it is 40 pages of policy so forgive if i misremember but the charitable giving deduction and the mortgage interest deduction are i believe the only two of all itemized deductions that will remain, though some others are folded into the child tax credit.

I knew it was a mistake to talk about my ideas for tax reform while I worked on the Hill.

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[tyven]

that it cuts taxes is by far the least interesting thing about it. exempting American exports from taxation, lowering the corporate tax rate below the rate of nations other than Chad and the United Arab Emirates, broad deduction and exemption elimination, doubling the standard deduction (those damn poor-hating Republicans), working with corporations to find a Laffer curve repatriation rate that will bring capital stored abroad back home while getting the federal government paid, no longer subsidizing risk in operating margins by a tax deductible that favors business debt over equity, etc. it streamlines and modernizes a poorly written, grotesquely bloated tax code whose present distortions and inefficiencies are legion.

success probability? not great. it is targeting oodles of entrenched interests and this healthcare fiasco is damaging the Republican brand and hollowing out their fabled unity.

It also includes he border adjustment tax which is fucking dead on arrival. These guys are about to go back to the Camp draft from a few years back

[tyven]

Also tonight Mulvaney said that if the AHCA vote fails Trump will move on and the ACA will stay on the books.

After the meeting tonight there were still 33 no's. Trump wants a vote tomorrow regardless. Seems he thinks they don't have the balls to kill it in the open

[Andalusian girls]

It also includes he border adjustment tax which is fucking dead on arrival. These guys are about to go back to the Camp draft from a few years back

everybody wanna fix the trade deficit till it's time to fix the trade deficit

also failing and moving-on to tax reform/budget/whatever is probably now the least damaging thing that can happen to Republicans. they never should have attempted healthcare reform through reconciliation.