115th United States Congress

[archibaldcrane]

If there was any doubt, they're rescinding support because it's not a complete repeal, and thus "it is more likely our health care system will devolve into single payer." lol

http://i.imgur.com/lhowuoA.jpg

But also because

it doesn’t go far enough in lowering premiums for middle class families

https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/in...F-3FA344D170C9

Someone should introduce Republicans to all-payer rate setting.

[kuronosan]

A whole bunch of us have been bombing his office with calls telling him to knock the shit off.

[archibaldcrane]

Watching the twitter comments of

Thank you Senator!

You know he only is against it because it's not cruel enough!

You're a coward, we need a full repeal NOW!

is pretty amazing.

[Deftscythe]

If there was any doubt, they're rescinding support because it's not a complete repeal, and thus "it is more likely our health care system will devolve into single payer." lol

Good news for them, then.



https://twitter.com/SenateMajLdr/sta...42105583431680

[archibaldcrane]

Ah, Repeal and Delay. Good luck with that, turtle.

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[Tyrath]

I don't think I've ever seen such an audacious display of smashing your own head against a wall repeatedly before.

[Deftscythe]

It should be noted that despite what McConnell is saying about a two-year grace period, the actual result of passing this legislation would be the immediate collapse of the markets as insurance companies pull out.

[kuronosan]

Mitch wouldn't know anything about that because he's a sack of shit disguised as Pistachio Disguisey.

[Fiye]

Can wee starting calling this the zombie health care bill?

[Byrthnoth]

I see political potential for the Repeal and Delay option.
* Their base won't blame them as long as they could blame anyone else.
* They can sell the Repeal and Delay as, "Exchanges are collapsing and we're trying to fix it but Dems are being mean and so we can't pass fixes. This will force them to come to the table."
* Then the exchanges will collapse when they pass it, and they'll say "See? We told you the exchanges were collapsing and this is all the Dems' fault."
* Their base disproportionately loses healthcare and hate dems for it, rich people get richer, and the virtuous republican cycle continues

[Fiye]

As long as they do something they win.

Though somehow I feel as if in the situation the republicans did nothing they'd win their own base. Shit AG will still vote republican after this.

[EternityEnd]

I see political potential for the Repeal and Delay option.
* Their base won't blame them as long as they could blame anyone else.
* They can sell the Repeal and Delay as, "Exchanges are collapsing and we're trying to fix it but Dems are being mean and so we can't pass fixes. This will force them to come to the table."
* Then the exchanges will collapse when they pass it, and they'll say "See? We told you the exchanges were collapsing and this is all the Dems' fault."
* Their base disproportionately loses healthcare and hate dems for it, rich people get richer, and the virtuous republican cycle continues

That might be a little cynical. I don't think repeal-without-replacement could get enough votes, because whether true or not, various senators probably view it as political suicide (and I'm inclined to agree for 2018).

Poor Trump voters disproportionately rely on the Affordable Care Act. While I agree that republican propaganda has them in a vice grip, a large swathe of Trump voters would feel the effects of repeal very quickly, and I think that would be inextricable from this long, drawn-out battle, which has centered entirely around republicans.

Nothing would flip their entire base, of course, but a significant enough percentage to give republican congress pause? They might think so, with 2018 elections only a year away, especially when they're the ones getting bombarded with calls from their affected constituents.

[tyven]

Repeal and Delay is what Trump envisioned from the start and what he had planned to do his first day as President. Funny that there was a group of Senate Republicans very vocal against doing so without a replacement plan in place, including two BCRA "No's" in Collins and Paul.

[EternityEnd]

Also worth noting is that the CBO has already scored a repeal-without-replacement, and unsurprisingly found it significantly worse than anything yet put forward.

18 million more people would become uninsured in the first full year after the bill’s enactment — rising to 32 million more people by 2026

premiums in the individual insurance marketplaces would soar — they’d go up 20 to 25 percent above currently projected increases in the first full year after repeal, and “would about double by 2026”

and access to coverage on the individual markets would plummet — about half of the US population would live in areas “that would have no insurer participating” in the individual market, CBO projects

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...amacare-repeal

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...ndpremiums.pdf

Considering how effectively CBO's have headlined in the past couple months, that should make senators uneasy.

[Kaslo]

That might be a little cynical. I don't think repeal-without-replacement could get enough votes, because whether true or not, various senators probably view it as political suicide (and I'm inclined to agree for 2018).

Poor Trump voters disproportionately rely on the Affordable Care Act. While I agree that republican propaganda has them in a vice grip, a large swathe of Trump voters would feel the effects of repeal very quickly, and I think that would be inextricable from this long, drawn-out battle, which has centered entirely around republicans.

Nothing would flip their entire base, of course, but a significant enough percentage to give republican congress pause? They might think so, with 2018 elections only a year away, especially when they're the ones getting bombarded with calls from their affected constituents.

You don't understand Trump voters, they will blame Obamacare -- not the repeal and delay -- for the effects of the repeal and delay.

[EternityEnd]

You don't understand Trump voters, they will blame Obamacare -- not the repeal and delay -- for the effects of the repeal and delay.

Those same voters are generally dependent on and approving of the ACA... when it's not called Obamacare. That's the paradoxical and ironic reality we live in. They will be keenly aware when they lose healthcare and can't afford new premiums.

Let's not pretend there aren't republican constituents calling their offices in disapproval, because they directly benefit from the ACA. While the ACA was uncontested, it was easy to paint an ignorant scapegoat of "Obamacare," but when it's actually on the table... it's easy to see these republicans bills aren't just unpopular among liberals.

There's republicans who are as dumb as you think -- many -- but there's also a noticeable amount who recognize their healthcare is on the table, and I'm pretty sure that contributes to various senators' hesitation.

[6souls]

The face that keeps on giving

[Tyche]

Shame he didn't make the senate baseball team.

[Andalusian girls]

As long as they do something they win.

Though somehow I feel as if in the situation the republicans did nothing they'd win their own base. Shit AG will still vote republican after this.

[archibaldcrane]

So Broven, do they switch the reconciliation instructions now to try to do tax reform under the 2017 budget?