SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion): Eight Becomes Nine

[Zealot]

Not what the Supreme Court ruled on.

[dasva]

Oh boy the waves of how is 7-2 narrow wtf media are just pouring in. Well at least it makes it pretty easy to see who is reading more than the headline

[Salodin]

Yeah, the facts of the case doesn't lead to the landmark decision people were hoping for. Basically, you can't force a baker to make a cake that goes against their religious beliefs, but as long as the baker is willing to make you a different cake its a-ok. Apparently the baker wasn't refusing service to the gay couple, just refusing to make a flamboyantly gay cake. If they asked for a not flamboyantly gay cake one would assume the baker would have made it. I can get down with that honestly.

[Niiro]

Every wedding cake is flamboyantly gay.

[Guyverarmor]

I dunno man. Have a co-worker who married his boyfriend of five years and went to his wedding. One of the most boring cakes I ever saw :-/ I was hoping for some sparklers or something...nope just a plain German Chocolate three tier cake.

I was extremely let down.

[Dantrag]

Thing that gets me is, do you really want someone who is against you personally to make your cake anyways? If I ran across someone that hated Puerto Rican's for some reason, I'd just not give them my business and move on with my life. I don't really care, there's others that will make my damn cake...

[Day]

hardcore bible thumping christians must bake some hella good wedding cakes is all I can figure from all these diff cases

[Day]

anyways i think most would agree we dont want the govt compelling folks to make something against their religion even if this specific case seems kinda early 90s homophobic and I dont agree with the business

you wouldn't want them to be forced to make a satanist cake or a muslim place to make something depicting mohamed ali or whatever

gets into a pretty interesting area though when it comes to religious protections though for sure especially when it's kind of put up against discrimination protections

[Salodin]

hardcore bible thumping christians must bake some hella good wedding cakes is all I can figure from all these diff cases

This is the only thing I can think of.

Maybe they really thought he was refusing to serve gays like people used to refuse to serve blacks, but apparently that's not the case so these people need to just take their business elsewhere if they want their rainbow colored cake. Truly I don't know what about the cake was so offensive to the baker though, did they ask for candy penises to be sprinkled on the cake or something? lol

[Dantrag]

This is the only thing I can think of.

Maybe they really thought he was refusing to serve gays like people used to refuse to serve blacks, but apparently that's not the case so these people need to just take their business elsewhere if they want their rainbow colored cake. Truly I don't know what about the cake was so offensive to the baker though, did they ask for candy penises to be sprinkled on the cake or something? lol

That's the thing, would they turn down a rainbow cake for my daughter?

[Salodin]

As long as you don't sprinkle candy penises on it?

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[Dantrag]

As long as you don't sprinkle candy penises on it?

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Little too soon I would guess lol.

[dasva]

Thing that gets me is, do you really want someone who is against you personally to make your cake anyways? If I ran across someone that hated Puerto Rican's for some reason, I'd just not give them my business and move on with my life. I don't really care, there's others that will make my damn cake...

I could just imagine the malicious compliance that would come with this though. Oh we'll bake that cake and you'll hate it lol. This cake is as sinful as this marriage!!!

[dasva]

As long as you don't sprinkle candy penises on it?

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But then who will make birthday cakes for Miley Cryus?

[Fiye]

anyways i think most would agree we dont want the govt compelling folks to make something against their religion even if this specific case seems kinda early 90s homophobic and I dont agree with the business

you wouldn't want them to be forced to make a satanist cake or a muslim place to make something depicting mohamed ali or whatever

gets into a pretty interesting area though when it comes to religious protections though for sure especially when it's kind of put up against discrimination protections

When one side of the case is proponents of religious liberties I'm not entirely happy with the ruling. (Religious liberties always seem to come at the cost of reproductive rights or gay rights for some strange reason).

[Rooney]

Haven't dug into it too much, but seems like the ruling is mainly based on the initial commission ruling being overly hostile to religion. Leaves plenty of room to bring a different case, even against the same baker.

[archibaldcrane]

Haven't dug into it too much, but seems like the ruling is mainly based on the initial commission ruling being overly hostile to religion. Leaves plenty of room to bring a different case, even against the same baker.

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[Zealot]

From the opinion it sounds like the Supremes ruled against the findings of Colorado's Civil Rights Commission, not specifically against making people serve gays even if they don't want to. Leaves the door open for other cases in different contexts, this same cake shop could even be sued again if it happens to them a second time.

Ahem.

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[dasva]

Hey man he said he hasn't dug into it that much. That means last page is too far!

[TummieGaruda]

This is the only thing I can think of.
Truly I don't know what about the cake was so offensive to the baker though, did they ask for candy penises to be sprinkled on the cake or something? lol

If I remember correctly, the argument was that the baker wasn't against selling them any other pre-made cake, but rather refusing to make them a cake from scratch because it was "creating art" for an event that goes against his beliefs.

Edit - Dude said he would make them a Birthday Cake, but not a wedding cake because it was against his beliefs