Wikileaks / Vault 7

[Fiye]

You become an obvious GRU asset and surprisingly people stop giving a fuck about you.

Dude wasn't as much of a GRU asset as James Comey was lol

[Gryffes]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr...ing-conspiracy

Boom.
That was fast.

[Fiye]

Honestly surprised they're bothering to chase after this when Obama's DoJ dropped it. Either they got something new that's related to why Chelsea Manning is current in prison or they're just being extra dickish.

[Byrthnoth]

Obama got Bin Laden

Trump got . . . ?yet another guy who helped elect him?

[Fiye]

Now you got me imagining Trump doing the Obama "We got him" walk in the exact same place for Assange.

Edit: Sen Gravel delivers the best take.

[Xno Kappa]

Anyone who calls Julian Assange and/or Chelsea Manning a whistleblower are not to be taken seriously.

[Fiye]

Anyone who calls Julian Assange and/or Chelsea Manning a whistleblower are not to be taken seriously.

Forgive me for using wikileaks as a resource but seriously?

https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

Edit: https://slate.com/technology/2013/06...nd-europe.html

Below is a list of 10 revelations disclosed by Manning’s leaked documents that offer insight into the breadth and scope of what he revealed, help explain his motivation for leaking, and provide context for the ongoing trial. The list, in no particular order, is far from comprehensive but encompasses some of the most significant information brought to light by the leaked documents.

• During the Iraq War, U.S. authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape, and murder by Iraqi police and soldiers, according to thousands of field reports.
• There were 109,032 “violent deaths” recorded in Iraq between 2004 and 2009, including 66,081 civilians. Leaked records from the Afghan War separately revealed coalition troops’ alleged role in killing at least 195 civilians in unreported incidents, one reportedly involving U.S. service members machine-gunning a bus, wounding or killing 15 passengers.
• The U.S. Embassy in Paris advised Washington to start a military-style trade war against any European Union country that opposed genetically modified crops, with U.S. diplomats effectively working directly for GM companies such as Monsanto.
• British and American officials colluded in a plan to mislead the British Parliament over a proposed ban on cluster bombs.
• In Baghdad in 2007, a U.S. Army helicopter gunned down a group of civilians, including two Reuters news staff.
• U.S. special operations forces were conducting offensive operations inside Pakistan despite sustained public denials and statements to the contrary by U.S. officials.
• A leaked diplomatic cable provided evidence that during an incident in 2006, U.S. troops in Iraq executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence. The disclosure of this cable was later a significant factor in the Iraqi government’s refusal to grant U.S. troops immunity from prosecution beyond 2011, which led to U.S. troops withdrawing from the country.
• A NATO coalition in Afghanistan was using an undisclosed “black” unit of special operations forces to hunt down targets for death or detention without trial. The unit was revealed to have had a kill-or-capture list featuring details of more than 2,000 senior figures from the Taliban and al-Qaida, but it had in some cases mistakenly killed men, women, children, and Afghan police officers.
• The U.S. threatened the Italian government in an attempt to influence a court case involving the indictment of CIA agents over the kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric. Separately, U.S. officials were revealed to have pressured Spanish prosecutors to dissuade them from investigating U.S. torture allegations, secret “extraordinary rendition” flights, and the killing of a Spanish journalist by U.S. troops in Iraq.
• In apparent violation of a 1946 U.N. convention, Washington initiated a spying campaign in 2009 that targeted the leadership of the U.N. by seeking to gather top officials’ private encryption keys, credit card details, and biometric data.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/befor...q-war_b_772779

The reports reveal, among other things, that U.S. soldiers were given orders not to investigate Iraqi torture, as Al Jazeera is reporting, based on documents from Wikileaks. Another revelation: At least 680 Iraqi civilians were killed and 2,000 others were wounded at U.S. military checkpoints in the last six years.

The leaked reports back up what Iraq war veterans have been telling journalists for years, only to be ignored by the mainstream media.

[Xno Kappa]

My point is that there were/are appropriate channels specifically designed for whistleblowers that they could’ve gone through. Instead they acted like attention whores and put everything out on blast. Endangering who knows how many lives in the process.

[Xno Kappa]

Luckily karma’s a bitch and they’re ultimately getting what they deserve.

[Fiye]

My point is that there were/are appropriate channels specifically designed for whistleblowers that they could’ve gone through. Instead they acted like attention whores and put everything out on blast. Endangering who knows how many lives in the process.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...612-story.html

“I work with this information every day,” Manning said. “I’m the subject-matter expert for this stuff. You know, we’re the ones who work with it the most. We’re the most familiar with it. It’s not, you know, it’s not a general who writes this stuff.”

When asked why not air these concerns over the proper channels, Manning said, “the channels are there, but they don’t work.”

https://abcnews.go.com/US/chelsea-ma...ry?id=47942490

Ledgett criticized Manning at the time for not pursuing legal options inside the system: “She could have gone to her commander. She could have gone to the judge advocate general. She could have gone to the Department of Defense inspector general ... to her congressional representatives, either the Armed Services Committee or her home representative.”

But Manning pushed back on that.

“Everybody says that there's channels ... but they don't work,” she said. “We've seen for at least a decade now that when you have information and you see wrongdoing, you don't have safe channels to go to ... They exist on paper, but in practice time and time again, you've seen that these channels don't work.”

Although Manning sent over 700,000 government documents to WikiLeaks, she was charged with leaking secret portions of only 227 documents under the Espionage Act. The information she disclosed included low level battlefield reports from Iraq and Afghanistan, evidence of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, Guantanamo prison camp detainee profiles and U.S. diplomatic correspondence.

Luckily karma’s a bitch and they’re ultimately getting what they deserve.

And you'll repeat the same bullshit the next someone calls you out about this.

[Xno Kappa]

My bad. I must’ve miss the part where she apparently had the authority to decide whether or not numerous appropriate channels worked.

[Xno Kappa]

She must’ve been a pretty high ranking PFC when she made this decision. Or was she a Specialist?

[Fiye]

Get challenged and you immediately flex rank. Must've been a joy to serve with.

[Dotsudoku]

I've always been pretty detached from these/all instances of whistleblowing. What does it looks like to go through the appropriate channels, and how can one be even the slightest bit assured that it'll matter/you won't be punished for it?

[Xno Kappa]

Get challenged and you immediately flex rank. Must've been a joy to serve with.

You posted the quote. Aren’t you genuinely impressed a PFC with a year and some change in the military already knew how the entire army worked lol?

Most PFC’s at that point in the Army haven’t even met any commander past their BC, let alone knowing all the channels and commands that run the whistleblower program not working.

[Fiye]

I've always been pretty detached from these/all instances of whistleblowing. What does it looks like to go through the appropriate channels, and how can one be even the slightest bit assured that it'll matter/you won't be punished for it?

It'd be like anything else. Ideally shit gets taken care of at the lowest possible level because jumping rank is INSANELY frowned upon and usually gets more people fucked. And you don't get people fucked.

Like lets say there's a rape case. Ideally you'd bring it up to your enlisted supervisor (First Class or Chief) [Forgive me using Navy because that's what I know], who'd bring it to the attention of your SLPO (Senior/Master Chief), Div O (Lt.) and Dept O. (Lt. Cdr).

This would get disseminated to the top enlisted and officer in your department. In my case as a navy nuke the RDMC and Reactor Officer. Who'd bring this to the attention of the Captain of the ship and a NJP case would be brought followed up by more necessary things.

Considering these are issues of war crimes and the like it would implicate a lot of the upper staff and its no wonder something like that would get squished.

[Fiye]

You posted the quote. Aren’t you genuinely impressed a PFC with a year and some change in the military already knew how the entire army worked lol?

Most PFC’s at that point in the Army haven’t even met any commander past their BC, let alone knowing all the channels and commands that run the whistleblower program not working.

You and I know how well a PFC crashing in on a commander would go. Ideally this shit would've been brought up the chain and to the commander's desk.

[Xno Kappa]

You and I know how well a PFC crashing in on a commander would go. Ideally this shit would've been brought up the chain and to the commander's desk.

She also could’ve spoken with IG, JAG, CID, FIU, PMG, chaplain, etc. All are autonomous to her chain of command and could literally tell them to fuck off.

So again, the whole “channels don’t work” excuse is fucking weak. Especially coming from a PFC who knows jack shit about how anything works.

[Mrbeansman]

I just have to laugh at the idea of this not being buried going through official channels. But boo who some people were endangered uncovering horrendous war crimes.

[arus2001]

Yeah, I've gotta side with getting stuff out there by any means (assuming factual info) as opposed to hoping that maybe, possibly, doing it the "right way" wouldn't get it silently swept under the rug because the nation is notoriously of the mindset that our armed forces can do no wrong.