Destiny 2 [PS4/XBONE/PC] (Sept. 6, 2017)

[Tokitoki]

Was trying to get one last powerful reward before reset last night so decided to hop on Warlock to do Flashpoint. Got two levels, from 20 to 22, just from doing the pubs and a couple lost sectors while completing the Flashpoint. Was surprised it was that fast. Seemed quicker than doing the missions. Got two exotics that were good upgrades to my gear. Went from 296 or so to 307.

[Serra]

Hey Six can someone give me admin access so I can invite people to the clan if needed?

I am pretty active on pc, would be good to have another admin.

Thanks

I can, but who are you inviting that you can't just send them a link? Like 6souls said, we're over 90 people, so I'm a little hesitant about just inviting random people you raided with once or twice -- but I'm fine opening that up to discussion.

Also:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46537

Prestige Leviathan will be brought back down to level 300 (as will it's drops -- so running old raids is back to being worthless..), Trials will only require CoO when it's a CoO map, prestige nightfall is still 330, they're looking to add a third difficulty tier that is set at the max light level for each expansion (duh..), time limited events will be available to all players (trials, faction rallies, etc), and faction rallies are delayed due to this.

They're also looking to add modifiers to heroic strikes, which again, duh..

[Kaslo]

I can, but who are you inviting that you can't just send them a link? Like 6souls said, we're over 90 people, so I'm a little hesitant about just inviting random people you raided with once or twice -- but I'm fine opening that up to discussion.

Also:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46537

Prestige Leviathan will be brought back down to level 300 (as will it's drops -- so running old raids is back to being worthless..), Trials will only require CoO when it's a CoO map, prestige nightfall is still 330, they're looking to add a third difficulty tier that is set at the max light level for each expansion (duh..), time limited events will be available to all players (trials, faction rallies, etc), and faction rallies are delayed due to this.

They're also looking to add modifiers to heroic strikes, which again, duh..

It is funny that Heroic Adventures have modifiers but strikes don't lol

Also, Gad, if I didn't do so much PvE I would consider swapping. :/ I would like to get into a regular groove with PvP.

[Tokitoki]

I mean I can understand the annoyance of the change to the Raid power level. For PC, the game was released about 6 weeks ago and not everyone has had a chance to run it, my self included. If people did not have as much play time they may not have the power level yet. If it was more time between the release and the power level increase it may have gone over better.

Then again, I don't care because I bought CoO anyway. It's really just the people that don;t want to buy the expansion.

[Serra]

I think Bungie was attempting to respond to a D1 criticism without thinking of how it affected a small portion of the population which ended up being very vocal. Ignoring the trophy/achievement issue (which, w/e..) I get that players who did not purchase the DLC were upset that they lost the ability to do the prestige raid. However, the problem is that going back to the D1 system makes the content irrelevant for anyone who purchased the expansion -- why would you spend an hour+ doing the Leviathan when you can do any other event for gear that will get you to 300? Maybe it's different in D2, but I think the playerbase that did not purchase the DLC is far smaller than the outrage suggested -- ever with the ability to infuse, ever try running King's Fall in Y3 before Aot?

The simple solution is to offer a third option, which doesn't seem like it'd be that hard since they've already made the power level changes and what not.. but what do I know.

[LinktheDeme]

Why don't they just add a third tier to the old raid?

Did they say what other balancing changes they're doing? Like the Prometheus Lens? lol

[Serra]

It's all the stuff they promised a week before the update: masterwork weapons, vendors selling weapons and armor, Xur's new exotic engram and three of coins, the consumable from Shaxx and Zavala, and probably some other stuff I can't remember.

Lens is getting patched today, but it is getting a strong nerf until they have a chance to really balance it:

As ‘Laser Tag’ weekend comes to a close, we’re making good on our promise to address the fact that Prometheus Lens is way too powerful. Sure it’s fun, but it breaks the Crucible for anyone who wants to use a different weapon. Given the short window we had to make an emergency fix, it will be adjusted to be way too weak. In January, this new Exotic will receive a proper, play-tested design pass.

https://twitter.com/Bungie/status/940361008542990337

[LinktheDeme]

It's all the stuff they promised a week before the update: masterwork weapons, vendors selling weapons and armor, Xur's new exotic engram and three of coins, the consumable from Shaxx and Zavala, and probably some other stuff I can't remember.

Lens is getting patched today, but it is getting a strong nerf until they have a chance to really balance it:


https://twitter.com/Bungie/status/940361008542990337

so it'll be useless for PvE as well then?

[6souls]

so it'll be useless for PvE as well then?

Yes. There is no separate balance for PVP with these devs.

[Serra]

Didn't the math say Coldheart was still better anyway?

I know it's a common criticism from the playerbase, but I don't fully follow what people want when they want separate PvE/PvP balance.. Also, as someone who bounces between PvE and PvP, I like that my weapons perform similarly. It already takes me a minute to adjust to the different movement abilities when I switch between classes, I'm glad I don't have to adjust to weapons feeling different as well.

[Serra]

Also:

We'll talk about The Dawning on the blog this Thursday. It's way too early for holiday cheer, and we have other promises to keep first.

Today is all about Masterworks and other evolutions.

https://twitter.com/DeeJ_BNG/status/940645564949020672

Sooooo no Dawning anytime soon?

[Kaslo]

Also:

https://twitter.com/DeeJ_BNG/status/940645564949020672

Sooooo no Dawning anytime soon?

wasn't Dawning more of a New Years event anyways?

[Tomiko]

I know it's a common criticism from the playerbase, but I don't fully follow what people want when they want separate PvE/PvP balance..

As someone who doesn't care about PvP, I want to do powerful things. Something that is fair (or semi-OP) in PvE shouldn't be nerfed to garbage tier because it's dominating PvP. What's the point of exotics if they're just going to feel the same as Legendary items? Gjallarhorn was fun in D1 because of how powerful it was.

Just my 2 Glimmer.

[Serra]

My problem with that position is that ignores that, from day one, Destiny has been a game with PvE and PvP where players could seamlessly take their character from one activity to the other and have the same gameplay experience.

Also, Ghorn was nerfed because it was too powerful in PvE, so..

wasn't Dawning more of a New Years event anyways?

I think there were presents in Y3. I mostly remember it for sparrow racing and snow angels, to be honest..

[Serra]

Patch Notes:
https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/46536

Activities

Leviathan Raid
Brought the Prestige "Leviathan" raid back down to 300 Power, making it accessible to all players, regardless of Curse of Osiris ownership
Adjusted Prestige difficulty rewards no longer grant guaranteed 330 Power items
Adjusted the difficulty for the normal Calus encounter

Trials of the Nine
Players who do not own Curse of Osiris may now access Trials of the Nine when a Destiny 2 launch map is featured

Trophies and Achievements
Modified the achievement "The Prestige" and the associated trophy to remove the Nightfall component
This may now be completed, regardless of Curse of Osiris ownership, by completing the "Leviathan" raid on Prestige difficulty

General

Miscellaneous
Fixed an issue impacting Power level progression from level 289 to 300 for players who do not own Curse of Osiris
Fixed an issue that would prompt a Curse of Osiris purchase menu when players were attempting to acquire the Scout Report: Mercury item with insufficient Glimmer
Fixed an issue where the word "Nightfall" was not prepended to new Curse of Osiris strikes in the Nightfall Director node
Adjusted the functionality of Chest Reward Throttles
Players now receive reduced amounts of loot when opening large numbers of chests in quick succession, rather than nothing at all
Cayde's Stash chests now grant rewards via the loot stream to prevent items from disappearing into the ground
Fixed an issue where cannons on Mercury were not functioning properly for PC players when they were playing at over 60 fps
Fixed an issue that prevented the functionality of HDR settings for PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 4 Pro

Collections
Fixed an issue where players with over 84 emblems were unable to see all emblems they owned within the collection screen

User Interface
On player inspection, currency display is no longer visible
Vendor waypoints are only highlighted when players have enough tokens to earn a reward
Fixed an issue where some players could not interact with items when they had full inventory

Faction Rallies
Players can no longer loot the same chest multiple times in quick succession for Faction Rally tokens
Fixed an issue where Faction Rally tokens were not being removed at the conclusion of the event for some players
Faction Rally emblems now display the correct pledge tracker stat
Fixed an issue where Faction Rally tokens were being removed from players' inventories when the players were creating a new character
Fixed an issue where some players would not receive a Faction Rally winner discount

Masterworks
Legendary weapons can now drop as Masterworks for characters above Power level 250
Masterworks provide bonus weapon stats and generate Orbs on multikills

Engrams
Legendary and Exotic Engram drop rates have been adjusted down for Public Events, and up for Strike and Crucible playlist activities
Reduced the chance of a Legendary engram rewarding multiple Legendary items

Xûr
Xûr now sells a three of coins consumable item that increases the drop chance of Exotics
Xûr now sells the Fated Engram

Exotics
Fixed an issue where Vesper of Radius, the Helm of Saint-14, Graviton Forfeit, and Gemini Jester were dropping with incorrect class mods
Fixed an issue where the Prometheus Lens Exotic Trace Rifle was outputting too much damage too quickly
Fixed an issue where Exotic weapons from Curse of Osiris were mislabeled within Exotic engrams

Gift Consumables
Zavala now sells a Fireteam Gift consumable that provides rewards to the user's fireteam on strike completion
Shaxx now sells a Fireteam Gift consumable that provides rewards to all players at the end of a Crucible activity
Tess Everis sells a Fireteam Gift consumable that provides rewards to all players on Strike or Crucible activity completion

Faction Vendors
Faction vendors now offer legendary gear for direct purchase with Legendary shards and faction tokens

Crucible
Added invisible physics to keep players from hiding in the Red Bay Box on the Pacifica map
Adjusted Power Ammo locations on the Eternity map

[Obsidian]

I think Bungie was attempting to respond to a D1 criticism without thinking of how it affected a small portion of the population which ended up being very vocal. Ignoring the trophy/achievement issue (which, w/e..) I get that players who did not purchase the DLC were upset that they lost the ability to do the prestige raid. However, the problem is that going back to the D1 system makes the content irrelevant for anyone who purchased the expansion -- why would you spend an hour+ doing the Leviathan when you can do any other event for gear that will get you to 300? Maybe it's different in D2, but I think the playerbase that did not purchase the DLC is far smaller than the outrage suggested -- ever with the ability to infuse, ever try running King's Fall in Y3 before Aot?

The simple solution is to offer a third option, which doesn't seem like it'd be that hard since they've already made the power level changes and what not.. but what do I know.

Easy solution would be not making the light level increase DLC-exclusive.

[nicholai]

Hah, them not making people pay to get better/level up, good one.

[Tokitoki]

Easy solution would be not making the light level increase DLC-exclusive.

Most games I can think of make you get the expansion to continue leveling.

[Obsidian]

Increased light level doesn't benefit you at all in Destiny. Your effectiveness is capped at whatever the light level for the activity is. Increasing the cap every time is just a cheap way to force people to buy the DLC and block players who don't from equipping the new gear, which can be accomplished other ways.

[Tokitoki]

You could say that about any expansion to a level cap for a game, minus the light level effectiveness. Adding levels to a game is a way to create false difficulty and separate the players that paid for the expansion to get the new gear and do the new activities from those that didn't.

We could have played FFXI at 50 cap for years, but increasing the level let them add in new skills, armor, weapons, and activities that you wouldn't be able to access if you didn't have the expansion.