Destiny 2 [PS4/XBONE/PC] (Sept. 6, 2017)

[Serra]

I think you know what I mean.. cmon now lol

I actually don't.. A lot of people are bitching about problems with D2 and "remembering" things from D1 that weren't true. Yes, D2 has its flaws and many of them are due to steps backwards, but the drops for completing the challenges sound to be exactly the same, so I don't see that criticism.

If these emblems don't track challenges completed, that is a fair criticism -- I'm hoping these will, but given the prestige emblem doesn't, I'm not holding my breath..

[Greedouw]

I mostly use Nezarec's Sin just for the looks XD

[Qalbert]

still haven't got karnstein's qq, finally got winter's guile tho, thanks xur

[Greedouw]

still haven't got karnstein's qq, finally got winter's guile tho, thanks xur

I've got about five Eyes of another World, but can't seem to get the crown... This game has turned into Pokemon for me

[Qalbert]

you can stick them in my closet with the 20 doomfangs I got before giving up and rerolling my titan to get the fucking war rig

[Greedouw]

you can stick them in my closet with the 20 doomfangs I got before giving up and rerolling my titan to get the fucking war rig

haha I feel you

One day, I just might be able to get Synthocepts

[Takiwaki]

I actually don't.. A lot of people are bitching about problems with D2 and "remembering" things from D1 that weren't true. Yes, D2 has its flaws and many of them are due to steps backwards, but the drops for completing the challenges sound to be exactly the same, so I don't see that criticism.

If these emblems don't track challenges completed, that is a fair criticism -- I'm hoping these will, but given the prestige emblem doesn't, I'm not holding my breath..

Right, but the thing is this is destiny 2 why go backward? since the gear system is now watered down and simpler (not saying its a bad thing) its impacting on the drop system negatively. You cannot expect to give the exact same loot sytem when the loot now matters so much less than before. In D1 max light drops as well as raid specific perks incentivized people. There is none of that atm. So basically the emblem, due to how the loot is in d2 is the only thing you are gaining from challenge mode that you cannot from any other mode or tokens. Since the max power level has not increased, which it could, with the info we have now it makes challenge mode pointless. Also saying the rewards are the same when the loot is not is the issue

This isnt D1, copy pasting the loot system for the challenge mode is a silly move.

[Takiwaki]

FYI the twitchcon stream starts in 30 min

[6souls]

FYI the twitchcon stream starts in 30 min

https://go.twitch.tv/twitchconcoolcat

I can't watch this live, keep me informed.

[Serra]

So first, the challenge rewards are not a step backwards. From what they've said, it's pretty much the same system. If you want to have a discussion about the steps backwards, we can have that, but as far as the the challenge mode rewards go, that point is irrelevant.

Second, I think we need to distinguish which era of challenge modes you're talking about -- TTK/RoI or Age of Triumph? During TTK/RoI challenges did not provide any loot that you couldn't get elsewhere. They dropped the same items as the encounter, just at max level. Maybe my memory of the challenges is off, but if I remember correctly, light level was irrelevant by the time the challenge modes were released. By the time the challenges were released, everyone who was doing the challenges was already max light because of hard mode (or by RoI because drops were easier to come by), so those drops were just infusion fuel. And as long as the drops are at max light level, that aspect is still there. So essentially, during TTK and RoI, challenges just gave an emblem, same as D2.

Now, if I remember, AoT did change that by guaranteeing an exotic primary for completing the challenges. However, and this is admittedly an assumption, I could see the four missing weapons (shotgun, fusion rifle, grenade launcher, and sidearm) dropping from the challenges as well to incentivize players.

Now if your issue is that there are no more raid specific perks, then fine, that's a fair criticism to have. But that's a criticism with D2 in general, not the challenge mode. Again, there is plenty to complain about, but to me, criticizing what they've said about challenge mode drops is not one of those thing.

[Takiwaki]

So first, the challenge rewards are not a step backwards. From what they've said, it's pretty much the same system. If you want to have a discussion about the steps backwards, we can have that, but as far as the the challenge mode rewards go, that point is irrelevant.

Second, I think we need to distinguish which era of challenge modes you're talking about -- TTK/RoI or Age of Triumph? During TTK/RoI challenges did not provide any loot that you couldn't get elsewhere. They dropped the same items as the encounter, just at max level. Maybe my memory of the challenges is off, but if I remember correctly, light level was irrelevant by the time the challenge modes were released. By the time the challenges were released, everyone who was doing the challenges was already max light because of hard mode (or by RoI because drops were easier to come by), so those drops were just infusion fuel. And as long as the drops are at max light level, that aspect is still there. So essentially, during TTK and RoI, challenges just gave an emblem, same as D2.

Now, if I remember, AoT did change that by guaranteeing an exotic primary for completing the challenges. However, and this is admittedly an assumption, I could see the four missing weapons (shotgun, fusion rifle, grenade launcher, and sidearm) dropping from the challenges as well to incentivize players.

Now if your issue is that there are no more raid specific perks, then fine, that's a fair criticism to have. But that's a criticism with D2 in general, not the challenge mode. Again, there is plenty to complain about, but to me, criticizing what they've said about challenge mode drops is not one of those thing.

Alright

[Serra]

https://go.twitch.tv/twitchconcoolcat

I can't watch this live, keep me informed.

Four seasons a year, at least for year 1. They're using them for "more predictable game updates." They'll push things like events, sandbox tuning, new features, new content, etc.

Seasons are not the only time these changes and events will happen, but they're the big vehicles when you'll know you can expect an update.

Did the stream just stop for everyone, or is it just me?

[Takiwaki]

Four seasons a year, at least for year 1. They're using them for "more predictable game updates." They'll push things like events, sandbox tuning, new features, new content, etc.

Seasons are not the only time these changes and events will happen, but they're the big vehicles when you'll know you can expect an update.

Did the stream just stop for everyone, or is it just me?

Stream is dead lol

Edit: its back!

[Serra]

Missed some stuff..
But they're planning three week events with limited rewards.

The Dawning is coming back during season 2.

[Serra]

Direct purchase of guns for IB in season 2 for tokens and shards -- will gradually roll out, so sounds like it'll be like D1.

Changing the reward system, sounds like they're stepping away from tokens and shifting more to cosmetic rewards based on how much you play, what you do, etc.

[Serra]

Interestingly, it sounds like the gear is going to be the same, but the ornament rewards are going to be locked behind seasons (I think League does something similar to this).

[Serra]

They're going to use seasons to fill in weapon gaps -- for instance, the IB hand cannon in season 1 was kinetic, during season 2, it'll be energy.

[Serra]

Faction rally rewards are exclusive to each event.. so fuck you to all the DO people (and to a lesser degree the NM ones..) who cost us that pulse ; ;

[Serra]

Oh shit.. concept art for DO faction rally ornaments look sexy @.@

[Takiwaki]

FWC is all white shading now