Predisent Donald J. Trump: Drone Wars Episode III: Revenge of Bernie Would Have Won

[Dimmauk]

He is correct that the North's unwillingness to compromise about slavery did lead to the civil war. After all, both people had to stand where their consciences made them stand. One for slavery, and one against.

And that's a bit on-the-nose as an allegory for current Republican vs. Democrat equivalencies.

The only reason the Republicans wanted to end slavery was that they wanted their votes. Sad.

[Niiro]

I'd say that plan backfired but they've done well enough to be able to dismantle the Voting Rights Act so who's to say?

[archibaldcrane]

I mean... what he said wasn't wrong at all? The South was 100% unwilling to compromise on the question of slavery; Lincoln totally was. And by pretty much damn near every account, Robert E. Lee was an exceptionally honorable individual. The Civil War (and really, any war), are fraught with exceptionally noble, honorable people, even if they're on the wrong side. That's not to say everyone on both sides were: there were some skeeves in the Union, but the South was pretty lousy with them, particularly in the senior officer corps. Yeah, there were some jerks in the US, UK, and France, but I mean... Nazis and Japanese Imperials. But most of the folks (especially the enlisted, who were largely conscripted) who fought for Germany weren't particularly better or worse than our guys.

It's 100% fair to say that the poor were manipulated by the elite who wanted to protect slavery, and fabricated that issue into state's rights (a legitimate issue in its own right). And it's 100% fair to say that the Civil War was the result of and response to slavery. It's also 100% accurate to say that the *VAST* majority of people fighting in the Civil War believed they were fighting for freedom, and that the great majority of them (at least until the Union made it to the Deep South) couldn't give two damns about slavery when they enlisted, and when they started. Looking back at that issue with today's morality, and judging the weight of issues in the past is disingenuous and exceedingly arrogant. Union soldiers believed that the maintaining of the Union was the only way in which democratic freedom was possible; Confederate soldiers believed that the federal government was unresponsive to them (it generally wasn't, but that was the message sent by the powerful who controlled information flow to the poor), and was oppressing them (ditto), and was going to turn them into slaves (again, not true). They had *bad* information in the South. And even when you look at someone like Lee, who *DID* have good information, he *hated* the cause of the South, but believed (like most at the time) that State > Union, and that his first duty was not to his own morals or soul, but to his state, and to the men who would die fighting for it.

Here

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/s...89478943633408

Stop calling men who tortured slaves "exceptionably honorable".

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[Lokus]

Union soldiers believed that the maintaining of the Union was the only way in which democratic freedom was possible; Confederate soldiers believed that the federal government was unresponsive to them (it generally wasn't, but that was the message sent by the powerful who controlled information flow to the poor), and was oppressing them (ditto), and was going to turn them into slaves (again, not true). They had *bad* information in the South. And even when you look at someone like Lee, who *DID* have good information, he *hated* the cause of the South, but believed (like most at the time) that State > Union, and that his first duty was not to his own morals or soul, but to his state, and to the men who would die fighting for it.

That doesn't really paint General Lee in that great of a light if he knew the spark and rethoric for the war was bullshit yet still went ahead with it.

[Zealot]

That jerk, I say we punish him by confiscating his land and burying a bunch of dead Northern troops there, that'll show him.

[Salodin]

Lee seceeded from the union. He is the literal definition of a traitor. Why do people in the 21st century have such a hard on for him...i just don't get it.

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[Zealot]

Because people still have a hard time conceptualizing a time when the South was in actuality a different country and see the Civil War as "brother vs. brother" instead of "United States of America conquering and occupying the Confederated States of America." Lee becomes a tragic hero instead of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III's spirit animal in that reality. Also he was all broken up about his decision you guys, he totes didn't want to fight but state rights.

[Zealot]

And then he got his face caved in by an alcoholic never-nude from the North.

[tyven]

Here

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/s...89478943633408

Stop calling men who tortured slaves "exceptionably honorable".

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god damn, Mr. Coates is in the fucking building today, folks.

[thetruepandagod]

And then he got his face caved in by an alcoholic never-nude from the North.

But he did oppose the building of confederate monuments, a regular antifa.

[Zealot]

I would bet Grant opposed that, too.

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[zoobernut]

Here

https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/s...89478943633408

Stop calling men who tortured slaves "exceptionably honorable".

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That was an exceptional read thank you for posting.

[EternityEnd]

And by pretty much damn near every account, Robert E. Lee was an exceptionally honorable individual.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...al-lee/529038/

edit: Oh I guess coates linked it in that twitter thread, too. It really is a fantastic article.

[Day]

HEY GUYS WHATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD THIS WEEK

[Salodin]

Is this where Maroot doesn't show back up for a month until the next racist makes a statement from the white house podium?

I'm still chuckling how that Monday bombshell from Zoner was really the reveal of who the snitch from the Trump campaign was.

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[thetruepandagod]

HEY GUYS WHATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD THIS WEEK

LIGHT OF MY LIFE YOU HAVE RETURNED!

[Day]

I am truly glad I was donation banned during Eminem's cypher I dont think I could have handled the Tyven shit talking

Missed you guys though.

[dasva]

Day is back!?! Happy days.

[Kaslo]

Day is back!?! Happy days.

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[archibaldcrane]

HEY GUYS WHATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD THIS WEEK

It's a Tuesday miracle!

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