Predisent Donald J. Trump: Drone Wars Episode III: Revenge of Bernie Would Have Won

[TsingTao]

Trump and Mnuchin gonna tie the debt ceiling to Texas disaster relief.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f9d29dfa2a4b

[Dimmauk]

Trump and Mnuchin gonna tie the debt ceiling to Texas disaster relief.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f9d29dfa2a4b

Will Ted Cruz vote against aid for Hurricane Harvey?

[Byrthnoth]

The I don't get it.

Aren't those both must-pass legislation? Why do they even need to tie them together?

[Fiye]

Dems could use debt ceiling to get shit they want. Plus debt ceiling would be fucked on a party line vote because of tea party.

[Quicklet]

The I don't get it.

Aren't those both must-pass legislation? Why do they even need to tie them together?

Tying the larger package of Harvey relief to the debt ceiling puts pressure on Republicans who don't want to vote for it and puts pressure on Democrats who might want to extract concessions for bailing Republicans out.

Since Trump is apparently ending DACA, I think Democrats will be under a lot of pressure to extract that as a concession for helping Ryan/McConnell not fall on their faces again over the debt ceiling or keeping the government open. But if Harvey is tied into something/everything, may be harder since Democrats actually have a heart and don't want to be seen voting against disaster relief.

[Gredival]

But if Harvey is tied into something/everything, may be harder since Democrats actually have a heart and don't want to be seen voting against disaster relief.

This is sort of always the problem for Dems. They care about the people affected when government shuts down. The GOP doesn't care if a shut down kills thousands.

[Day]

Sure dude

[kuronosan]

He ain't wrong.

[Day]

He is though.

[Day]

My opponents want people to die! Ok Sarah Palin of the left if you say so.

[Gredival]

Never said want them to die. Maybe like Ted Cruz, but the majority just don't care.

When you are the party of "small government" (i.e. no social safety net) why would you care if the government shuts down and all those programs you hate stop working? Why would you care when all those departments you want to cut, like the EPA and the EEOC, can't hire anyone?

But when you actually give a shit about people who depend on those programs, when you care government agencies that fill the void a free market can't, then it's a lot harder to be a hold out.

[Day]

Lost 3 paragraphs of serious reply so tl;dr i think you're smarter than to suggest the reason policy debates happen is bc one side doesn't care if people die

[Eurell]

Lost 3 paragraphs of serious reply so tl;dr i think you're smarter than to suggest the reason policy debates happen is bc one side doesn't care if people die

You're talking about the side that wanted to repeal healthcare and didn't care if it ever got replaced, right?

[Day]

Yes they wanted to completely remove health care from the world

[Tyrath]

I mean they were proposing to repeal it without a replacement, people be damned. Speaks for itself.

[Deftscythe]

Lost 3 paragraphs of serious reply so tl;dr i think you're smarter than to suggest the reason policy debates happen is bc one side doesn't care if people die

I don't see how you can look at the healthcare debate we just had and come to any other conclusion. And that's just one example. There's also stuff like Pence trying to block federal aid for Katrina or Cruz doing the same for Sandy.

[Eurell]

Yes they wanted to completely remove health care from the world

How does adding "the world" to make a fake argument counter the actual point?

[Day]

You guys aren't bothering to listen to the other sides argument and boil it down to 100% worst take. Im certainly not going to rehash all these debates and present the other side to you, but if you would take a bit to actually hear the argument instead of headlines you might see everyone you disagree with isnt a monster.

[Deftscythe]

Every single plan put forward by the GOP was found by the CBO and other experts to leave millions uninsured and the majority of Republicans voted for them anyways. How could they justify casting those votes if they cared?

[Salodin]

You guys aren't bothering to listen to the other sides argument and boil it down to 100% worst take. Im certainly not going to rehash all these debates and present the other side to you, but if you would take a bit to actually hear the argument instead of headlines you might see everyone you disagree with isnt a monster.

Nah man, you've just deluded yourself into thinking everything in politics is falsely equivalent. Thats why you still defend nazis, thats why you think a vote to enact policies that take healthcare away from millions doesnt mean the congressman doesnt support healthcare for millions of people. You have this immature notion that policy that literally takes programs away from citizens doesn't mean those representatives are voting to take away opportunity from others. People are literally voting for policies that take healthcare from millions of people, but in your head that doesn't mean they want to take healthcare away from people...what?


I look forward to your strawman of a reply, but I think you've solely moved onto trolling at this point. You bitch about the bitching and act like it's equivalent because you're comparing millions of people losing healthcare to the same thing the dems did...when exactly?

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