PC Principal: Get Off My Lawn

**Andalusian girls** · 2017-09-19 01:23

as Maroot brushed upon anyone with a passing knowledge of the history of slavery knows capitalism was the agent of its final destruction, not what engendered it. various forms of slavery were more or less endemic in all pre-capitalist societies, from Rome to the Aztecs to the various Chinese dynasties to the Caliphates to the Eastern European lands where we gets its English etymology. what enabled the abolition of slavery (and its various corollaries such as serfdom), an institution that had been around for the vast majority of human history, was the rise of capitalism. it is no coincidence the first abolitionist state was also the first capitalist state and the first state to undergo industrialization in Great Britain. within Britain it became rapidly apparent compulsory labor (with all the non-production costs of compulsion and enforcement) simply could not compete with the efficiency of profit motivated wage labor. the clearest microcosm of this phenomenon was in our own country where the Northerners, who were no more moral or righteous than the Southerners, quickly industrialized and became trading and manufacturing economies, and so had relatively little economic impulse to preserve slavery when the moral demands of abolition came to be made (even in states like New York and New Jersey with large slave populations). conversely the Southern states remained pre-capitalist agrarian societies that financed their lavish societal ways through the selling of crops, notably cotton, and so when the same moral tradewinds came they were promptly ignored by a vested plantation class that had no economic impulse to heed them.

in essence capitalism destroyed slavery simply because capitalism destroys inefficiency, and slavery is inefficient.

**NynJa** · 2017-09-19 01:27

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Not going to lie I don't like calling these shitheads Nazis. I don't mind calling them white supremacist sister-fucking jackasses, among other things, but something about the word makes me feel like it should remain reserved for those that actually shoved people into gas chambers.

The guy was literally wearing a red swastika armband though.

Not to mention this guy was hardly sucker punched the way Richard Spencer was. Hes actually seen engaging his assailant, or atleast provoking him verbally and via body language (what looked like "come on you stupid bitch" with the hand motion).

**Fiye** · 2017-09-19 01:28

Originally Posted by Andalusian girls

capitalism destroys inefficiency.

**thetruepandagod** · 2017-09-19 01:34

Originally Posted by Zealot

Communism just happened to take hold in regions where due to regional histories of oppressive regimes by a powerful ruling class the machinery was already in place post-revolution to establish yet another in the chain.

**Andalusian girls** · 2017-09-19 01:36

my favorite statistic in regards to that is that the Bolsheviks killed more Russians during their revolution than the Tzarist regime had killed in the entire 19th century. as Maroot said what the communists were able to accomplish through an unprecedented and terrifying accumulation of state power was an order of magnitude or two worse than anything those regions had seen before. it is simple fact that in the past 100 years communist regimes have killed more people than any other regime type, and the figure is not especially close.

**Marootsoobutsu** · 2017-09-19 01:50

Originally Posted by Talint

I don't know how you can handwave away slavery as "well what was capitalism back then really" and at the same time argue about what true human nature is, and how it's definitely 100% not community because that's just evil.

I'm not handwaving anything away: Capitalism didn't exist until the late 1700s, and didn't become a major player in the world until the 1800s. Until the 1700s, you had Feudalism and Mercantalism as the dominating economic platforms of Europe (and European-dominated lands), which were very different things from Capitalism. Capitalism isn't just "some people pursue profit." You can make a claim that the Profit Motive led to the African slave trade, and sure-- but that wasn't Capitalism. Certainly, Mercantalism was a precursor to Capitalism, and both have the profit motive as a driving factor, but that's not all that either of them are. Capitalism isn't necessarily more moral than Communism, but it has done immeasurable good improving the lives of those living under its influence-- and it's biggest failures have come not when it is given too much head, but when businesses have leveraged the power of government to creep back toward Mercantalism.

**Zealot** · 2017-09-19 06:41

Nah, still going to put the ideology that envisions a perfect utopia for all people above the one that says we'd already have it if all these non-whites just died already.

We're looking at two things here, theory and practice. Communism is terrible in one, Nazis in both.

And this idolatry of capitalism from people who live in its system and see it's effects yet decry other models because of how they work in practice is disconcerting. Yeah we've got a pretty good thing going, if only because ours only explicitly condones the murder of people from other countries and not our own.

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**thetruepandagod** · 2017-09-19 06:58

To be fair, Nazism envisions a perfect utopia for all the people that would be left. Clearly Hitler had to resort to genocide only as a result of lackluster german science and inability to ship all untermensch to mars.

Seriously though, putting one ideology above another in levels of abhorrence just because it sounds nicer does not detract from the reality of the terror and death that would unfold while in practice.

**Roranora** · 2017-09-19 07:07

good morning fam

**Day** · 2017-09-19 07:22

Fuckin commies in this thread I knew it, cant wait for zealots presidential campaign, he is ruined

If it looks great on paper but kills millions in practice, maybe it don't look so hot on paper anymore

**tyven** · 2017-09-19 07:40

Hell yea this rules I'm so pumped about the turn this thread has taken

**Zetanio** · 2017-09-19 07:44

**tyven** · 2017-09-19 07:52

Check this out guys:

You know how I know communism is worse than nazism? We could actually beat the nazis in a war

CHECK MATE WAHHABISTS

**Dimmauk** · 2017-09-19 07:54

If it makes y'all feel better, I'll fucking punch commies and Nazis in the fucking face.

**tyven** · 2017-09-19 07:54

BUT WAIT A MINUTE WE ALIGNED OURSELVES WITH COMMUNISTS TO DEFEAT THE NAZIS

Check mate buddhists

**NynJa** · 2017-09-19 08:04

Originally Posted by Zealot

We're looking at two things here, theory and practice. Communism is terrible in one, Nazis in both.

Theory: lets give police officers guns and the right to discharge these weapons at people they feel are threatening to them. Of course, we will thoroughly investigate any firearm discharges to see if they were rightfully used or if there was an abuse of power.
Practice: see the Police thread a few threads over, or that Ferguson thread, etc etc

But hey, its good in theory, so theres nothing wrong.

**tyven** · 2017-09-19 08:06

Originally Posted by NynJa

Theory: lets give police officers guns and the right to discharge these weapons at people they feel are threatening to them. Of course, we will thoroughly investigate any firearm discharges to see if they were rightfully used or if there was an abuse of power.
Practice: see the Police thread a few threads over, or that Ferguson thread, etc etc

But hey, its good in theory, so theres nothing wrong.

Nynja... welcome to Black Lives Matter

**Zetanio** · 2017-09-19 08:10

Originally Posted by tyven

Nynja... welcome to Black Lives Matter

**Talint** · 2017-09-19 08:36

But Capitalism kills poors and other people who aren't us, so it's fine.

Like, y'all know Cuba does pretty well for itself right, despite the shitty things the US does to it with its embargos.

**Day** · 2017-09-19 08:39

lmfao

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