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[Headspace]

This is a good summary of the problem

https://rantt.com/the-alt-left-is-be...d-1c86c426e8f6

Note that "alt-left" is problematic terminology because even at their worst snowflake SJW Bernie Bros are several orders of magnitudes above fascists, Nazis, and Klansmen

Dems prefer fascists to the left.

[tyven]

Conservatives: Lets round up all the muslims and put them in camps
Libs: Hire more female guards!
Leftist:i'll be over here getting murdered while counter protesting nazis in 2017

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Libs are also like "private camps are bad, so I've introduced a legislation to reduce the number of private camps by half over ten years"


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[thetruepandagod]

If only more would opt for getting murdered.

[Gredival]

also your neolib retard is showing again. bernie bros are not the snowflake SJWs, part of the reason Dems hate them so much is because Bernie Bros don't give a shit about identity politics. That is why every problematic terrible fucking SJW has #stillwithher in their profiles.

Come now, I know you hate it when you can't pin a problem on the Dems but are you really going to deny that college age SJWs were Bernie's bread and butter?

Dems prefer fascists to the left.

I guess just like how leftists prefer fascism to left of Obama but insufficiently pure liberalism so they would rather let Donald win instead of voting for Hillary.

[tyven]

Anyway its August 2017 and Gred still doesn't understand why Hillary lost and that fucking rules. Get fucked, Gred. Don't try to blame leftists for your shitty politics and candidates that sent dem voters to the right, including people on this very forum.

Some light reading from the gawd Emmett Rensin who saw this shit coming over a year ago
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/114513...can-liberalism

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clin...-voters-502298

[tyven]

Come now, I know you hate it when you can't pin a problem on the Dems but are you really going to deny that college age SJWs were Bernie's bread and butter?

lol i thought bernie's bread and butter were the white bros that never had to worry about things like identity politics which is why they are all racist and sexist for not liking kamala harris, cory booker, and deval patrick. your narrative sucks and you are horrible out of touch if this is what you believe.

[tyven]

a piece by the author you linked earlier arguing about how Bernie ignores women and minorities in favor of his economic policies. yes clearly his supporters are the SJWs. clearly. God damn we've had some shitty fucking arguments about why establishment dems suck, Gred, but this is a new low https://rantt.com/the-political-revo...s-297d77d2e2d2

[Talint]

Conservatives: Lets round up all the muslims and put them in camps
Libs: Hire more female guards!
Leftist:i'll be over here getting murdered while counter protesting nazis in 2017

[Gredival]

Anyway its August 2017 and Gred still doesn't understand why Hillary lost and that fucking rules. Get fucked, Gred. Don't try to blame leftists for your shitty politics and candidates that sent dem voters to the right, including people on this very forum.

So being insufficiently left made left voters go to the right and vote for someone who was even less left? Uh-huh.

It's August 2017 and you still think it's justifiable and defensible to refuse to vote, waste a vote, or vote for very shitty instead of plain shitty.

lol i thought bernie's bread and butter were the white bros that never had to worry about things like identity politics which is why they are all racist and sexist for not liking kamala harris, cory booker, and deval patrick. your narrative sucks and you are horrible out of touch if this is what you believe.

If you're going to attribute shitty identity politics arguments that I myself have never uttered, then I assume it's fair for me to attribute shitty Stein level arguments to you and expect you to defend them.

[Fiye]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.marke...A-A9AB09A54355

This rules

[tyven]

So being insufficiently left made left voters go to the right and vote for someone who was even less left? Uh-huh.

It's August 2017 and you still think it's justifiable and defensible to refuse to vote, waste a vote, or vote for very shitty instead of plain shitty.



If you're going to attribute shitty identity politics arguments that I myself have never uttered, then I assume it's fair for me to attribute shitty Stein level arguments to you and expect you to defend them.

I said shitty politics and candidates sent them right, and it did. People on this board have admitted to it you dolt. I've linked a post multiple times in which I predicted it in February 2016. OH WELL

I'm sure many leftists/socialists swallowed their pride and voted Hillary including myself, sorry that the Dems ran such a shitty candidate that people preferred to roll the fucking dice than show up to the polls. If Dems can't beat Donald trump that is entirely on them lol.

I personally don't give a shit about your stance on identity politics but you did try to attribute it to leftists and you're dead fucking wrong. it's clear that you are unaware which voters are most guilty of it and how damaging it was/is for the libs. Luckily that writer you linked had a previous piece which served to perfectly own you. Maybe take a look at your fellow neolibs who would rather just call leftists/socialists racist and misogynistic than address the party' real problems.

[Deftscythe]

I guess just like how leftists prefer fascism to left of Obama but insufficiently pure liberalism so they would rather let Donald win instead of voting for Hillary.

You need to let this go. The vast majority of Bernie supporters voted for Clinton. Your candidate lost because she had too much baggage and ran a poor campaign.

[Fiye]

[Gredival]

I said shitty politics and candidates sent them right, and it did. People on this board have admitted to it you dolt. I've linked a post multiple times in which I predicted it in February 2016. OH WELL

What kind of shitty politics? Establishment politics. Why are they shitty? Because they're insufficiently left. Even if I grant you both of these premises there is a logical gap between that and making the choice to vote for Trump instead.

I'm sure many leftists/socialists swallowed their pride and voted Hillary including myself, sorry that the Dems ran such a shitty candidate that people preferred to roll the fucking dice than show up to the polls. If Dems can't beat Donald trump that is entirely on them lol.

Again, my point is that it is not justifiable or defensible to refuse to vote, waste a vote, or vote for very shitty instead of plain shitty.

That does not exculpate Hillary. It does not exonerate the DNC. It does not show that Schumer was right to declare they will make up for lost left votes with double the suburban moderates.

They are all accountable. But so are the idiots who couldn't hold their nose and "vote for shitty over very shitty."

And that goes for any race -- the House, Senate, State Senate/Assembly, Governor. You have previously agreed to the basic premise that we should run as left of a candidate as can win. People need to get over the fact that means you run some candidates that are offwhite with a tint of blue. Purity tests are not worth giving Mitch or Paul another free vote.

Leftists reducing the 2016 election to this hot take of "always turn as hard left as possible" is stupid and honestly it proves Trump really is the President we deserve. While part of me really wants to just sit back and enjoy the schadenfreude from the far left relearn the lesson of McGovern that extremism only works when you are the party with higher discipline, I don't want to go down with the sinking ship.

I personally don't give a shit about your stance on identity politics but you did try to attribute it to leftists and you're dead fucking wrong. it's clear that you are unaware which voters are most guilty of it and how damaging it was/is for the libs.

The number one predictor in whether a Democrat voted for Hillary or Bernie in the primary was age. College age voters were overwhelmingly solid for Bernie. Now if you break them down as a bloc, yes, white and male were much more loyal to Bernie than minority and female. But age was by far more predictive by a landslide.

College age activists are also overwhelmingly more likely to be involved in identity politics and to consider it a top priority. See: this and the previous thread.

I mean are you really going to tell me with a straight face that student activists talking about how there needs to be the right to choose ones own pronoun were pledged to Hillary over Bernie? Really?

And I consistently and repeatedly pointed to Trump's victory being an echo of the "Reagan Democrat" effect in the 80's where Dem voters abandoned the party when they felt the party was more concerned about those pesky issues like civil rights and equality than representing them.

Luckily that writer you linked had a previous piece which served to perfectly own you. Maybe take a look at your fellow neolibs who would rather just call leftists/socialists racist and misogynistic than address the party' real problems

I linked a piece explaining how the fringe left is a problem (which it is and which I will defend) and you go dig up some other piece this author has written and it's some "Gotcha!" ace in the hole? How? The logic of this piece is somehow completely dependent on the accuracy of everything else the author has ever written?

Are you trying to pull a Jeremiah Wright here?

[tyven]

What kind of shitty politics? Establishment politics. Why are they shitty? Because they're insufficiently left. Even if I grant you both of these premises there is a logical gap between that and making the choice to vote for Trump instead.



Again, my point is that it is not justifiable or defensible to refuse to vote, waste a vote, or vote for very shitty instead of plain shitty.

That does not exculpate Hillary. It does not exonerate the DNC. It does not show that Schumer was right to declare they will make up for lost left votes with double the suburban moderates.

They are all accountable. But so are the idiots who couldn't hold their nose and "vote for shitty over very shitty."

And that goes for any race -- the House, Senate, State Senate/Assembly, Governor. You have previously agreed to the basic premise that we should run as left of a candidate as can win. People need to get over the fact that means you run some candidates that are offwhite with a tint of blue. Purity tests are not worth giving Mitch or Paul another free vote.

Leftists reducing the 2016 election to this hot take of "always turn as hard left as possible" is stupid and honestly it proves Trump really is the President we deserve. While part of me really wants to just sit back and enjoy the schadenfreude from the far left relearn the lesson of McGovern that extremism only works when you are the party with higher discipline, I don't want to go down with the sinking ship.



The number one predictor in whether a Democrat voted for Hillary or Bernie in the primary was age. College age voters were overwhelmingly solid for Bernie. Now if you break them down as a bloc, yes, white and male were much more loyal to Bernie than minority and female. But age was by far more predictive by a landslide.

College age activists are also overwhelmingly more likely to be involved in identity politics and to consider it a top priority. See: this and the previous thread.

I mean are you really going to tell me with a straight face that student activists talking about how there needs to be the right to choose ones own pronoun were pledged to Hillary over Bernie? Really?

And I consistently and repeatedly pointed to Trump's victory being an echo of the "Reagan Democrat" effect in the 80's where Dem voters abandoned the party when they felt the party was more concerned about those pesky issues like civil rights and equality than representing them.



I linked a piece explaining how the fringe left is a problem (which it is and which I will defend) and you go dig up some other piece this author has written and it's some "Gotcha!" ace in the hole? How? The logic of this piece is somehow completely dependent on the accuracy of everything else the author has ever written?

Are you trying to pull a Jeremiah Wright here?

The shitty politics I mention are identity politics. How can you be so fucking out of touch with the state of the Democratic Party? I'm not trying to do gotcha-shit. I'm trying to help you understand that SJWs are a fucking plague on the Democratic Party. They still are, how have you already forgotten the "bend the knee" incident from July that sent every fucking liberal over the edge?

Bernie Bros are attacked online every day for putting economics ahead of identity politics.

As for the "alt-left" article, I just knew that if she had one piece shitting on leftists she would have another about how Bernie don't care about minorities and women.

Of course the fringe left is a problem for libs. The fringe left is sick of fucking identity politics which is why they won't immediately fall in line behind the first POC that Dems want to wheel out for president.

[Fiye]

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[Andalusian girls]

come at me commies.

my man

[Andalusian girls]

that said it's p moronic to reduce the entirety of political and social discourse to "u are this way or u are that way and the ways are opposite"

I have no idea what the Left Tyven is talking about

the secret is no one does.

the notion that there is a consolidated left that is entirely distinctive from Democrats is a bit of a joke. there are Democrats who hold conservative values, those that hold moderate values, those that hold liberal values, and those that hold a mix of the three, and that is all more or less inevitable when exactly 2 political parties must represent the views of 330 million people.

i understand the convenience that comes with a dichotomous shorthand, everyone is one thing or the thing standing against it, but it is a shorthand that doesn't accurately reflect reality, even when dispensing with the parties and dealing solely with an ideology (if you can even call left or right an ideology). there are pacifist leftists and there are leftists that demand foreign intervention of humanitarian grounds. there are scientist leftists and there are chakra crystals leftists. there are no-GMOs-ever leftists and there are who-gives-a-fuck-i-love-big-bananas leftists.

the terms left or right are broad and indistinct and should be used as such, not as the basis for an in-group out-group identifying marker. and they should be dispensed with immediately when actual positions can take their spot. if one wants an isolationist or socialist Democratic Party simply say so as that is rather more illustrative than demands it go "further left".

[Fiye]

He's referring to the chapo left duh.