PC Principal: Get Off My Lawn

[Guitarman]

Mind-boggling to me that because of the shitheads on the alt-right are out there, bringing down monuments and vandalism is being given a free pass by a good chunk of the public. Just...yikes.

[archibaldcrane]

There's plenty of people who distinguish between things that are morally good and things that are legal. A long history of it in this country, as a matter of fact.

[Roranora]

There's plenty of people who distinguish between things that are morally good and things that are legal. A long history of it in this country, as a matter of fact.

moreover is it not morally imperative to defy unjust laws?

it's not really applicable here, just generally

[Roranora]

Day is weed illegal in your home state? Keep fighting the good fight if so

[Headspace]

moreover is it not morally imperative to defy unjust laws?

it's not really applicable here, just generally

No. Respect the discourse.

[Headspace]

I prefer my violence to be through policy, which is much more respectable than antifa


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[Day]

Day is weed illegal in your home state? Keep fighting the good fight if so

hellafuck no but i'm not fighting any fight over it tbh

[Roranora]

oh but you are, good sir, quietly at your home a session at a time

[Guitarman]

There's plenty of people who distinguish between things that are morally good and things that are legal. A long history of it in this country, as a matter of fact.

I know. but just the sheer number that don't do that very basic thing is incredible to me. I guess it shouldn't be really, but still.

[Andalusian girls]

moreover is it not morally imperative to defy unjust laws?

it's not really applicable here, just generally

what morally unjust law is antifa defying here? freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, or property rights?

[Headspace]

what morally unjust law is antifa defying here? freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, or property rights?

Did you miss the second sentence

[Andalusian girls]

[Roranora]

I prefer my violence to be through policy, which is much more respectable than antifa


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I'd get down with this violence; where do we start? We just gotta get two thirds or more of the country unified and largely in agreement around citizenry engagement and reason right? Let's do this.

[Day]

finally someone higher than me

[Roranora]

what morally unjust law is antifa defying here? freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, or property rights?

None whatsoever. It was a general inquiry and not meant to defend fuckers who wield bike locks and crack skulls.

[Xno Kappa]

God damn! Trump was tight as fuck at that press conference lol.

[archibaldcrane]

what morally unjust law is antifa defying here? freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, or property rights?

In Cville or in Durham?

Pretty solid case to make that they are defying the morally unjust North Carolina law prohibiting cities and counties from removing confederate monuments in Durham.

[Roranora]

In Cville or in Durham?

Pretty solid case to make that they are defying the morally unjust North Carolina law prohibiting cities and counties from removing confederate monuments in Durham.

might be stretching it here, although the argument can certainly be made

[Marootsoobutsu]

White supremacist groups have a very long history of violence and hate speech. They are deplorable. As a fellow troll, I agree with you that nobody should get punched because of words. But everyone isn't as civilized as we are. We are safe on the internet, but in real life, there are lines that shouldn't be crossed or you get crossed.

Antifa and their Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist revolutionary antecedents have a very long history of violence and ideological purity that is as damaging to society as hate speech. They are also deplorable; they use hate to justify hate, they justify violence on the basis of moral superiority.

I'm 100% fine with condemning the alt-right, the KKK, white nationalists/supremacists, Nazis, and the like. They are deplorable, and history has shown what happens when they have power. But Antifa legitimately is no better, has philosophical roots that are just as vile, just as destructive, and should be condemned just as vociferously.

Trump needs to be more clear in calling out the alt-right and their even more thuggish ilk. But most folks shouldn't need to-- it's obvious. It's one of those things that should go without saying. Maybe I've missed something here, but I don't recall folks at BG saying anything positive about the alt-right, or supporting them as anything but dangerous thugs. But there are a flood willing to say Antifa isn't "as bad", or a threat. They are. This isn't a "both sides" thing, because the right isn't saying, "it's okay to assault Antifa people."

Violence over words happens. It shouldn't, but it does-- and it should be universally condemned when it does. Justifying violence because of ideology, or being glad of it, isn't some moral mark-- it's destructive, and ugly, and should be shameful. There are a lot of points where I disagree with BGers, but this is one of the few points where I am ashamed by the association. The initiation of violence over words is not morally okay, no matter how repugnant or morally awful the words being spoken are. Be better than those you oppose, not by having purer ideology, but by having morally better actions. I'm not saying don't confront them: I'm saying confront them with superior morality, with superior argument and rhetoric. Defeat them by taking your time, energy, and wealth, and use those to enact a positive impact on the world. Enable those who these scum would grind under heel. Violence against them justifies their position, makes them sympathetic to those who don't actually understand their position, and deprives you of a voice. Not denouncing those who enact violence deprives you of moral standing to those unaware of the situation, and taints the remainder of your message, however good it may be.

Confronting hate with violence breeds more hate, and it breeds more violence. Confronting hate with kindness, confronting violence with goodness creates converts allies from enemies.

[archibaldcrane]

Trump needs to be more clear in calling out the alt-right and their even more thuggish ilk.

Why do you want to hear Trump lie?