Dragonball Z/Super (2015) TOP and Beyond

[Dantrag]

Mystic > SSJ3. Though this Gohan it's tough to tell. He seemed to catch up at moments and be behind at others.

[Abandon]

regardless of lolpowerlevel, it's nice that gohan has made serious progress. the question is, where will this motivation to be strong and protect be AFTER the tourney.

[Tyrath]

Does Goku fucking up Gohan count for Gohan getting that good old saiyan near death power boost?

[Obsidian]

It seemed like Gohan had the upper hand until Goku went all-out blue. When he tells Goku to stop messing around and go all out it seems to surprise him.

[Abandon]

i took it more as, gohan wanted to see exactly where he stood in the grand scheme of things

[Eurell]

I'm excited to see where Gohan goes from here. No way he doesn't get a new form. Most of super has just been me trying to enjoy the ride despite the (imo) mostly terrible plot. This is the first time I'm really looking forward to what's coming u.

[Dantrag]

i took it more as, gohan wanted to see exactly where he stood in the grand scheme of things

/agree

He's smart enough to know he didn't stance a chance and wants to know the gap since he wants to at least meet up to their power.

[Abandon]

/agree

He's smart enough to know he didn't stance a chance and wants to know the gap since he wants to at least meet up to their power.

I would actually take it further than that. We all know, at one point in the Buu saga, he was *the* strongest person there was, point blank. I think he knows it too, and if i remember correctly, Piccolo even tells him as much. I think it was more of "ok, how much work do i need to do to pass them up again"

[Cream Soda]

I would actually take it further than that. We all know, at one point in the Buu saga, he was *the* strongest person there was, point blank. I think he knows it too, and if i remember correctly, Piccolo even tells him as much. I think it was more of "ok, how much work do i need to do to pass them up again"

What work did he do to pass them up the first time? lol

[Korietsu]

What work did he do to pass them up the first time? lol

Training with that Z Sword and being taught by the elder kai on how to gain that SSJ2 power without the need for transforming which wastes energy.

I bet we see gohan get a few key knockouts.

[Cream Soda]

He trained for like 2 secs lol.

That's my point. He just sat there and let old kai dance around him. Along w/ Goku's ssj god, debatably the biggest ass pull of the series.

but yeah, none of that work was done by Gohan.

[Akiyama]

Gohan hasn't worked hard for his power since the Cell saga. Everything else has practically been handed to him while he did the bare minimum.

[Eurell]

Gohan hasn't worked hard for his power since the Cell saga. Everything else has practically been handed to him while he did the bare minimum.

He didn't need to though. He busted ass from 4years old till he was 11? He had a 1 year break in there, but everything else was non stop training and fighting. The only thing he never really worked for was his original old kai power up. But he never should have been as weak as he got in Super, and now he's been training a fuckton (since he realized he was weak in the golden freeza arc? or maybe it was the begining of the universe 6/7 tourny?) to get back to his previous level. All his current training makes up for the original old kai ass pull imo.

[Cream Soda]

Not really. He hasn't done anything special. He's just done regular training. No gravity machines, def not trained by Whis, etc. Just train, standard training; and that nigga took like 5 years off of training, of course he's gonna get that weak. Don't lose it ya lose it. Basic biology there, lol.

Not to mention if you think he's trained hard enough to have reached elder kai's power unlock, remember that ssj3 is 4x stronger than ssj2. Goku, without the limitations of a body (in other world) took 7 years of hard training just to reach this form, and he didn't even master it. And Gohan was even able to shit on that just by having Kai dance around him for a day (and at this point he's weaker than he was when he fought Cell).

He's do nothing training wise to even come close to making up for that kinda plot device, lol

[Tyrath]

You guys are worse than people who argue about whose waifu is better.

[Virg]

So what you´re basically saying is DB is throwing out random crazy power ups to characters who haven´t been relevant in ages for the sake of making them relevant again? Whats new? The only Z-Fighters who truly deserve to be as strong as they are, are Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo. Hell I´d fully accept if Piccolo would be close to Goku and Vegeta in terms of power. Mfer is training pretty much non stop and has always been a genius fighter both technically aswell as physically.

[Elcura]

You guys are worse than people who argue about whose waifu is better.

If you think this you haven't seen any Persona waifu wars and that's just the tip.

This is better.

[Cream Soda]

So what you´re basically saying is DB is throwing out random crazy power ups to characters who haven´t been relevant in ages for the sake of making them relevant again? Whats new? The only Z-Fighters who truly deserve to be as strong as they are, are Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo. Hell I´d fully accept if Piccolo would be close to Goku and Vegeta in terms of power. Mfer is training pretty much non stop and has always been a genius fighter both technically aswell as physically.

Key words being "biggest" ass pull. The fact that there are other ass pulls are implied.

[Virg]

Yeah true I guess. Though Trunks' ass pull vs merged Zamasu has to come in as a close second.

[Cream Soda]

Yeah true I guess. Though Trunks' ass pull vs merged Zamasu has to come in as a close second.

Kinda. His new form was more of an ass pull than the victory vs Zamasu.

If it were just the humans, sure. But he was swinging that sword w/ his own power, then also Goku and Vegeta's power added. All the other ningens were irrelevant. That sword had the power of trunks/goku/Vegeta though. Not too much of an ass pull when you think of it that way.