Final Fantasy Record Keeper - Magicite Dungeons - Summon Crusader! Annihilated

[Melena]

Squall bssb2 carries this on his own so you don't need ice (due to lack of good ice sbs at the moment I sub 30 this with a non ice team). Turn ramza into an entruster and run slow resist. Get rid of alph or ysh and get something to get squall online faster or get squall doing lowen roars faster. (If you absolutely have to Alph should be able to heal this with curada or maybe curaja as long as you're killing fast enough; otherwise ysh and someone to enable squall).

better to buff lowan roars through junctions or better to just spam it?

[Robertfb]

I changed Tidus to Truthseeker but i'll keep Paine with Ace Striker, reason is simple Her BSB doesn't have Enwater, while i have her SSB that gives enwater.

I knowi h ave entrust on Ramza, but with him Shouting and trying to untrust maybe paine and khimari this could take a bit

Ah didn't know you had her SSB, yeah Ace Striker is perfect for her. For Ramza I find that I can normally entrust 1 bar to someone in between shouts (haven't tried it yet with his LM2), so you can entrust that to Paine to get her Enwater > BSB online quicker.

Can't wait to hear how you wiped the floor with Liquid Flame!

[Robertfb]

better to buff lowan roars through junctions or better to just spam it?

I'd say buff it to max then spam C2, assuming no LD, his burst mode should last 5 turns, in which buffing gives you 2x max C2 (12 hits of major DMG total). My napkin math says you'll only lose 2 hits over just spamming C2 unbuffed, but you gain so much more DMG for 12 hits instead if you buff it.

Edit: Forgot C2 goes up to 7, not the usual 6, so it loses nothing by buffing it.

[hyoton]

Nope. I have too many Dex/vit options to dive that I can't make a decision. And I'm not dying over wind orbs that I feel the need to get his LD.

It ages really well and he gets a generic doublecast spellblade LM. I guess his competitors would be a tricked out tidus or butz but who else do you have to choose from?

[hyoton]

better to buff lowan roars through junctions or better to just spam it?

IIRC two junctions is max dps, and doublecast gives a second stack. His BSSB2 and LD synergize incredibly well.

[Alkar]

For me it's really simple actually: do I have a BSB/USB that fully utilizes this character's LMs? If yes> dive, if no> don't dive. I maxed out Tidus and Ayame as soon as I got their USB/BSB, doing the same for Raines/Y'shtola/Ace as soon as I get enough wisdom stuff. The advantages are way too big to delay imo. A fully dived character gets around 12% of extra elemental damage boost from passives, some get 18% like Ace! Add dualcast materias and huge stat boosts on top and you have a bunch of killer machines tearing through Apo+ stages and magicites.
Squall with BSB2 would be an instant dive situation for me.

[Moridam]

yup, i LD'ed squall the moment i was able. no regrets at all, with ice/non for his BSB2 it's OP even on neutral targets. good chance of double/triplecast means you can easily max your junction charges, and from there he's churning out OSB level damage with C2. add in party 0ct effects to squeeze in extra C2s for even more absurdity!

[Robertfb]

For me it's really simple actually: do I have a BSB/USB that fully utilizes this character's LMs? If yes> dive, if no> don't dive. I maxed out Tidus and Ayame as soon as I got their USB/BSB, doing the same for Raines/Y'shtola/Ace as soon as I get enough wisdom stuff. The advantages are way too big to delay imo. A fully dived character gets around 12% of extra elemental damage boost from passives, some get 18% like Ace! Add dualcast materias and huge stat boosts on top and you have a bunch of killer machines tearing through Apo+ stages and magicites.
Squall with BSB2 would be an instant dive situation for me.

I do something similar, but I also look toward if their LM are a significant boost or not, mainly if they have a trance/double cast that synergizes with their SB/Abilities. For example I'll dive Vivi (BSB), Ashe (BSB), Rapha (USB), but Ace (USB) is low priority due to no double cast.

I still have plans to dive him, but not immediately.

[Alkar]

I wouldn't put Ace in the top tier with Vivi, Raines or Terra but his LM2 is Haste+3x instant cast, not too bad. He's last on my list for now but I think he'll get some use there, especially in magicites to pump out some extra damage fast.
Actually Terra is on a tier of her own, just crazy good even with no SBs at all. I'm planning to dive her and I only have her SSBs and OSB. If I pulled her USB she'd jump straight ahead, a fire killing machine.

[Pirian]

I wouldn't put Ace in the top tier with Vivi, Raines or Terra but his LM2 is Haste+3x instant cast, not too bad. He's last on my list for now but I think he'll get some use there, especially in magicites to pump out some extra damage fast.
Actually Terra is on a tier of her own, just crazy good even with no SBs at all. I'm planning to dive her and I only have her SSBs and OSB. If I pulled her USB she'd jump straight ahead, a fire killing machine.

Do you need some kind of Last Stand to really take advantage of all those characters with Trance? Or will Trance trigger at 0 hp and pull them back to full HP + buffs?

I have Raines LD with his BSB + OSB and its damage (along with an imperil dark, which I have 2 characters for) has since carried me through everything that doesn't fully resist dark or holy damage. Hell, he carried me through 6/8 of the Magicites, and all easily under 1 minute. I have Terra's enFire SSB, BSB1, and OSB, but never considered her LD worth it without an efficient Last Stand. I have Mif and Realm, but those are my only 2 options presently. I also have vivi's enFire bsb(1? don't remember which it is) and his OSB. Could also LD him, but same deal as Terra. I don't think I can do both of them right now, and Terra would be the one of the two to do if it is worth it at all.

[Moridam]

nah, it doesn't save you from dying. last stand makes trance a lot easier to abuse for sure, but it's by no means necessary. i've devised a couple setups for terra where she can reliably self-nuke into trance without dying. with SSB2+OSB she's top tier and worth diving IMO, if you happen to pull her USB to replace SSB2 i'd say it's almost mandatory.

[Alkar]

Do you need some kind of Last Stand to really take advantage of all those characters with Trance? Or will Trance trigger at 0 hp and pull them back to full HP + buffs?

I have Raines LD with his BSB + OSB and its damage (along with an imperil dark, which I have 2 characters for) has since carried me through everything that doesn't fully resist dark or holy damage. Hell, he carried me through 6/8 of the Magicites, and all easily under 1 minute. I have Terra's enFire SSB, BSB1, and OSB, but never considered her LD worth it without an efficient Last Stand. I have Mif and Realm, but those are my only 2 options presently. I also have vivi's enFire bsb(1? don't remember which it is) and his OSB. Could also LD him, but same deal as Terra. I don't think I can do both of them right now, and Terra would be the one of the two to do if it is worth it at all.

You simply need to find a sweet spot and nuke that character yourself without killing him/her and trigger Trance. Last Stand isn't needed.

[Ratatapa]

1min6 liquid flame

he was at like 60% at 40sec, but i got him down fast after

[hyoton]

Do you need some kind of Last Stand to really take advantage of all those characters with Trance? Or will Trance trigger at 0 hp and pull them back to full HP + buffs?

Negatory - they have to survive the hit. Memento mori on self or other spell on self to open is how I do it.

[hyoton]

Sub 30 shadow dragon courtesy of a LD'd cid raines. That just leaves liquid flame (who is not happening any time soon unless I get a massive buff to my water collection).

[Sumy]

bottomswell doesnt exist

FFS you guys are not kidding, have been able to day 1 Bismark, but... after 7 Bismark Magicites, 4 Enkii Magicites, I just today got my FIRST Bottomswell.

Also, this has been asked a million times before... is there any reason at all to keep 1 and 2 star magicites? Did I read something about future "infusion"?

[Ratatapa]

Mist dragon is better holy or ice resist ?

[hyoton]

I think it's about the same; ice stops freezing mist but the savage holies are stronger, just 3 slot vs full party. Either works.

[Alkar]

I believe Freezing Mist is ice/holy so you need both to resist that attack. I usually go with holy resist accessories and use ice magicites for some ice protection.

[synistar]

Holy resist. Sealion magicite on a sub slot gives enough ice resist.