PC Principal III: Anti-Affection League: Subtitling Intensifies: The Movie, The Thread

[Zealot]

It *wasn't* unprecedented, though. The biggest thing with the Holocaust is that it's the first time we actually had footage of it. We had the video evidence and the visual impact of it to show the world. Japan was at least as awful to China, arguably worse. Slavery impacted far more people, over a much longer period of time, and was arguably as cruel, and at its worst was just as deliberately cruel. We don't need to be mindful of the Holocaust because it was unprecedented or unique-- we need to be mindful of the Holocaust because it's so bloody, brutally *typical* of human behavior. It's not a thing we should look at and think, "Oh, man those Nazis were the worst" (disclaimer: Nazis were pretty much the worst), so much as, "The Nazis acted on pretty typical human nature, and this is what happens when that nature plays out." The scale was larger than some, but mostly be cause there were just more people alive in the world, and technology improved efficiency, but similar butcheries, with similar depravity and torture, have been happening pretty much since human history has been recorded, which tells me it's been happening longer than that.

The Holocaust is awful, and significant-- I'm not downplaying it. It should be remembered, and it deserves to be focused on, because it's pretty easily the most well documented case of human atrocity... and people still want to deny it happened.

Completely fair, unprecedented was the wrong term.

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[Greatguardian]

is it six or eleven

11 million people, 6 million of which were Jews

[Gredival]

We don't need to be mindful of the Holocaust because it was unprecedented or unique-- we need to be mindful of the Holocaust because it's so bloody, brutally *typical* of human behavior.

There's always a disconnect when you evaluate systemic oppression and structural violence vs discrete "one-time" incidents. The history of slavery and the continuing vestigial effects manifested as racism certainly have total impact numbers that exceed the Holocaust, but the dispersion over time has a numbing effect. The number count of the Holocaust in the relatively short period of time reinforces the so-called banality of evil that makes it more striking.

[thetruepandagod]

11 million people, 6 million of which were Jews

So were those 5 million holocausted too? WHY THE 6M!?

[Xno Kappa]

My biggest issue with the Holocaust isn't that it's the worst thing in history... it's that it's not all that uncommon in world history, and events like it are surprisingly abundant, especially when you look outside of the west. Being aware of how frequent such butchering is in our history, that it seems to be acceptable to our nature over time.

My wife's mother is a refugee of the Khmer Rouge, with her sister being born in Vietnam during her escape to the U.S. Some of the stories she tells my wife are fucking crazy depressing. Essentially just her and my wife's grandmother escaped, her two sisters and three brothers were raped, tortured, and killed.

[Greatguardian]

So were those 5 million holocausted too? WHY THE 6M!?

Yes, they were also holocausted. The 5m (which is a conservative number) includes queers, Romani, Slavs, Ethnic Poles, Ukranians, Serbs, and Jehovah's witnesses.

[Day]

So were those 5 million holocausted too? WHY THE 6M!?

Really makes u think

[Fondue]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holocau...inkId=50375041



And thats millennials, what about the younger Gen Z??
No wonder none of these idiots can notice the similarities between Nazi Germany and whats going on today.

I mean everyone should know 6 million- but the real surprising thing is that most people dont know the majority of those jews died after the supply lines were bombed and the camps were cut off and left to run rampant with typhus and dysentery

[NynJa]

[archibaldcrane]

I mean everyone should know 6 million- but the real surprising thing is that most people dont know the majority of those jews died after the supply lines were bombed and the camps were cut off and left to run rampant with typhus and dysentery

If you (or anyone else) hasn't listened to the Cumtown podcast episode 91, I can't think of a better entry point than this post right here.

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[thetruepandagod]

I just want to post these classics.



http://robotsrule.us/picohitlers.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/...it_one_hitler/

[Fiye]

Doesn't the value of a human life decay as the person gets older though?

[TheDirtyHobo]

Ok so there's no difference, in your minds, between saying "It was really bad" and actually being able to quantify exactly how bad.

Do you know, without looking it up, how many people died from Black Plague? Or how many people have died in the AIDS epidemic? I don't, but I know a) "it was really bad" and b) the numbers for either are significantly higher than the Holocaust.

For the record, I knew it's 6 million. I remember it because I was taught it over and over through middle and high school, but I've never put it into any application in my life.

[Zealot]

150 million give or take 50 in either direction and no, I would probably guess something similar though.

So how is disease equivalent to the planned and systematic genocide of peoples based upon their ethnic or religious background again though? I missed that part.

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[TheDirtyHobo]

They aren't equivalent, aside from banal platitudes about how all loss of life is equally tragic. The point is that it's a thing that almost everyone knows is very bad, but the exact numbers on how bad it is don't particularly matter and aren't commonly known.

[Zealot]

Also the Black Plague, despite the death toll, I'm totally ok with not knowing the exact numbers on. One of the things I took the most umbrage with was the idea that the number isn't important because "it's ancient history and doesn't affect my life" when as I've stated, Holocaust survivors are alive today and the repercussions of the event are still shaping global politics in ways that absolutely affect all of us. It was 70 years ago.

The Black Plague was seven HUNDRED years ago. It actually is ancient history. The effect on our world was profound and that's why we still learn about it, but it is pretty much done guiding world policy. Time has healed that wound. Vaccinate your kids.

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[NynJa]

Soooooo wait a minute...

black lives matter: "what about all the non-blacks who get shot?!?" "Stop being racist, its the black cumminity who gets shot most, fucking racist shitlord"
Holocaust: "what about all the non-jews who were murdered?!?" And this is acceptable.

Am i way off base here or is there a tinge of hypocrisy goin on?

[Niiro]

No, your strawmans are spot on.

[Yuri-G]

Soooooo wait a minute...

black lives matter: "what about all the non-blacks who get shot?!?" "Stop being racist, its the black cumminity who gets shot most, fucking racist shitlord"
Holocaust: "what about all the non-jews who were murdered?!?" And this is acceptable.

Am i way off base here or is there a tinge of hypocrisy goin on?

I am not trying to antagonize or troll you I swear to god but this is literally the worst post I think I have ever seen from you

like I can't even right now. I'm dying over here. in a funny way

you really think the racial disparities in American policing can be effectively compared to the Holocaust. you really do. god bless you, you wonderful man.

[thetruepandagod]

I think jews and blacks should figure out which between them has suffered more so I know who to care about and am able to fully focus my support on those who need it most.