PC Principal III: Anti-Affection League: Subtitling Intensifies: The Movie, The Thread

[NynJa]

The slippery slope is real.

[Zetanio]

The slippery slope is real.

Not really.

[Niiro]

Next thing you know they'll be throwing you in the gulag for misgendering your Doritos.

[archibaldcrane]

Is it illegal in Canada to, for example, call a black person a nigger?

This is a real question, I don't know how free speech is up there compared to America.

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[Niiro]

The actual criminal code regarding hate speech (referred to as hate propaganda):

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Hate Propaganda
Marginal note:Advocating genocide

318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Marginal note:Definition of genocide

(2) In this section, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,

(a) killing members of the group; or

(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
Marginal note:Consent

(3) No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.
Marginal note:Definition of identifiable group

(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 318; 2004, c. 14, s. 1; 2014, c. 31, s. 12; 2017, c. 13, s. 3.

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Marginal note:Public incitement of hatred

319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Marginal note:Wilful promotion of hatred

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Marginal note:Defences

(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

The line seems to be at incitement of criminal action or breaching of the peace.

[archibaldcrane]

Oh. So it's just normal.

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[Niiro]

The language for willful promotion of hatred leaves much more room for interpretation but the exclusions at the end omit a number of concerns.

ie. You can publicly promote hate "if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true."

[Zealot]

U.S. free speech laws make an exception for "fighting words," words engendered or more than likely to evoke a violent reaction. Chaplinsky vs. New Hampshire, 1942.

[dasva]

deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
Marginal note:Consent

That's some weird ass wording lol

As far as the promote that thing I think the sticking point is what is considered those exceptions and who is determining them. As far as crime I'd expect they'd actually be reasonable (though lol Canada so who knows). But yeah others can and will apply (or even ignore those exceptions) in less reasonable fashion because let's face it they already do. Mostly I fear for universities since they often find themselves enforcing things themselves in odd ways and adding quasi legal speech silencing.

Also wtf it being 2018 and people legally still being able to use ramblings of ancient madmen and charlatans as basis for promoting hate. Though given Jedi is now a religion in many places does that mean I preach about how bad the Sith are? Fuck it I want to march about that!

[Eurell]

The fact that it's so nonspecific is the scary thing. NYC passed a similar law.
https://www.snopes.com/transgender-pronouns-fine-nyc/

WHAT'S FALSE

Accidentally referring to a transgender person with the wrong pronoun in NYC will result in a $250,000 fine.

Did you even read your own link?

[Ksandra]

It was a pretty simpleton statement. Shall I define "millennials"?

Many millennials are in their 30s now, and you think it's a stereotype that they don't get pregnant?


Simpletons make simpleton statements.

[NynJa]

Many millennials are in their 30s now, and you think it's a stereotype that they don't get pregnant?


Simpletons make simpleton statements.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhow.../#3a50b41d1d9b
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/27/baby...ric-shift.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.71728e81da28
http://www.businessinsider.com/mille...-a-baby-2017-7

A lower percentage of millennials are having babies. Its unfortunate that facts got in the way of your opinion and your desire to call me a simpleton. Better luck next time.

[Fiye]

You're not defining what a millennial is you simpleton. You're just copy pasting some links you got by googling and making an irrelevant statement because you're associating a single digit change to be no one gets pregnant.

Like please do some digging as to why this is the case. I'll give you a hint its not avocado toast.

[NynJa]

[Zealot]

Nynja you get a lot of shit my dude but seriously read just the very first thing you posted. Birth rates are down 2% or less among any age group that should reasonably be having kids, sharpest decline is a result of the big drop in teenage pregnancy which has been a societal goal for some time.

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[Eurell]

YEah there's definitely times people shit on Nynja just because he's Nynja. This isn't one of em though. Stop saying dumb shit Nynja

[Vandalhart]

Just kind of reading up a little here on the last page or two.

One of Peterson's issues with Bill C16 was the fact that if someone doesn't use the proper gender pronoun towards someone, then they could be brought before a Human Rights Tribunal. If found guilty, you could be fined a large amount, and if you can't pay that fine, then you could face jail time.


I've been listening to a lot of interviews with him recently and he says things about personal responsibility that I agree with. He also advocates for people standing up for themselves and doing what they can to improve aspects of their lives by making changes that you're capable of doing to get the results you desire.

[Eurell]

If someone fucks up? Or if someone continually uses the wrong one on purpose (which is pointless unless you are trying to upset that person).

[Vandalhart]

I would assume if it was belligerent and repeated.

[Zetanio]

so you'd know it if you saw it?