NeoGAF Suffers a Meltdown after the Site Owner is Exposed for Sexual Assault

**Zealot** · 2017-10-23 14:25

Originally Posted by Vandalhart

As opposed to letting all victims of sexual assault have a voice. How wonderfully chivalrous of you.

Nah, more like this is a movement definitively built around rooting out the ingrained concept of harassment in the workplace/casual sexism/power plays for sexual favors that we as a society have taken as a given since women entered the workforce. That's what is going to gain traction and that's what is going to work right now. If you're looking for success and momentum toward societal change, let women have this moment and if we get this right then the inertia then exists to expand. That's the nature of a successful movement.

Go be self-righteous somewhere else.

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**Vandalhart** · 2017-10-23 15:03

Oh I see, women first, everyone else later. Understood. You’re a wonderful ally.

**dasva** · 2017-10-23 15:24

Originally Posted by Zealot

Sexual assault is defined as covering contact or behavior that occurs without consent. Assault by itself only means reasonable fear of unwanted contact. Battery is the one where touching happens.

It's not really as simple as putting 2 words together. Regular definitions vary as they are want to do and tend to cover a bit of ground but generally involve touch or attempts at battery.

Legal definitions also vary by state but similarly tend to do so as well. Though many penal codes don't actually have sexual assault as a specific crime per se but more list it as a catch all for various non consensual sex crimes most again involving touch some getting rather specific in areas being touched. Some go a step further combing it with rape (though that appears to still require penetration of some sort). See California post Brock Turner

**Yuri-G** · 2017-10-23 15:51

Originally Posted by Vandalhart

Oh I see, women first, everyone else later. Understood. You’re a wonderful ally.

#MeToo specifically addresses the issue of women being targeted for sexual harassment and sexual violence due to social norms and a specific cultural mindset. Trying to make it about male sexual assault survivors misses the point entirely; leaving male sexual assault survivors out of the conversation does not devalue their experience or make it any less traumatic.

Are you also an #AllLivesMatter person? Because we're dealing with similar concepts here.

**Jefe** · 2017-10-23 15:55

A victm's a victim. Shut the fuck up.

**Yuri-G** · 2017-10-23 15:58

Originally Posted by Jefe

A victm's a victim. Shut the fuck up.

Women are targeted for sexual harassment and violence at a rate far disproportionate to men, for a variety of reasons, many of which the #MeToo campaign seeks to address. So no, "a victim is a victim" does not cover it.

Also, "shut the fuck up" falls fairly low on the scale of witty rejoinders. Up your game.

**Boyiee** · 2017-10-23 16:02

I was hoping that the cancer that is neogaf would stay there and not spread here. Oh well.

**dasva** · 2017-10-23 16:05

Originally Posted by Boyiee

I was hoping that the cancer that is neogaf would stay there and not spread here. Oh well.

I blame the OP.

**thetruepandagod** · 2017-10-23 16:10

Originally Posted by Zealot

Nah, more like this is a movement definitively built around rooting out the ingrained concept of harassment in the workplace/casual sexism/power plays for sexual favors that we as a society have taken as a given since women entered the workforce.

This movement sprung up as a result of the prolific sexual abuses within hollywood unless I am mistaken. Sexual abuses at the hands of people with inordinate amount of power within a system that will protect them, sexual abuses that involve victims of both genders. To say that this movement should not be capitalized on by the victims but rather a specific type of the victims is the most asinine thing I have ever heard.

Originally Posted by Yuri-G

Trying to make it about male sexual assault survivors misses the point entirely; leaving male sexual assault survivors out of the conversation does not devalue their experience or make it any less traumatic.

It is making it about the victim, not "male" or "female" victims.

**thetruepandagod** · 2017-10-23 16:12

I swear something good happens, like this movement and a spotlight being cast on hollywood, and you stupid little fuckwits attack it and hollow it out like like cancer does a bone. You people really don't understand just how disgusting you are for the sake of trying not to be.

**6souls** · 2017-10-23 16:16

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/arti...ce=wptwitterus

Malka comments to VICE.

Malka has not publicly commented on the allegations, but in a series of email exchanges with me over the weekend, he pushed back against the story. The two have not spoken in years, according to Malka. He called Leupp "a deeply disturbed, malicious individual," a characterization Leupp, in an interview with me today, attributed to Malka's attempts to gaslight people over his own behavior.

"It's been a perfect storm of misanthropy and opportunism," said Malka, who described the accusations as "totally ridiculous and baseless."

As for the incident described by Leupp, Malka called it "totally harmonious and consensual."

Malka further criticized Leupp for reportedly taking down her Facebook post, after the allegations began circulating, as evidence she was making the story up or exaggerating certain details of the encounter. Leupp told me that's not the case; instead, the post was made private so people would stop screen grabbing it and sharing it around online, as her profile also included other posts detailing other sexual misconduct she'd experienced.

"I didn't delete it out of shame or anything, I just got afraid," she told me. "I never meant to out him publicly. I never meant to have any of this happen. It was a story that had come up. Instead of just reposting a hashtag, I thought if I described some more details of certain situations that it would become more real for friends in my life."

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/stat...50627368099842

GAF to be brought back online tonight, removing the off-topic section.

**Zealot** · 2017-10-23 16:17

No I'm right.

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**Darus Grey** · 2017-10-23 16:27

Originally Posted by Yuri-G

Are you also an #AllLivesMatter person? Because we're dealing with similar concepts here.

Kinda disagree with this argument(note, not the point, just the argument being made to make it), #alllivesmatter is stupid because it's a counterpoint to a repressed minority who clearly suffers more than the majority.

In the world of sexual violence, men are clearly the ones who suffer in absolute silence, despite the fact that we know that men suffer from it to a pretty large degree, so in this case...

#metoo is the #alllivesmatter in this comparison.

Granted I agree with Zealout that we should just let them have it, but I think you can understand why a male victim of sexual assault would be upset, being passed over for the 798732th time an opportunity to have a public discussion about how we completely ignore an entire subset of victims.

**Zealot** · 2017-10-23 16:27

For the sake of not being glib, you all have your hearts in the right place and your minds removed from reality. Of course every victim matters the same way every life matters but sometimes it's more beneficial in the long term to focus on one at a time if you want to actually accomplish anything.

It takes society finally agreeing that you shouldn't treat black people like garbage for someone to eventually say "hey, if we can't treat black people this way, why is it ok to do it to gays?" Society getting around to thinking it's not a gag or just part of life for women in the workplace to be treated like objects is a fairly remarkable event. Only gonna spread from here unless some angry contingent hijacks the narrative because they feel left out.

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**Vandalhart** · 2017-10-23 16:53

Originally Posted by Zealot

It takes society finally agreeing that you shouldn't treat black people like garbage for someone to eventually say "hey, if we can't treat black people this way, why is it ok to do it to gays?"
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I just don’t understand why you have to specify a race/sexuality/gender. If we treat everyone the same regardless of any of these aspects, then things will go in the right direction.

On another note, here’s something I don’t understand (one of the many things I’m sure).
If women, as most of the feminist movement appears to claim, don’t have any power, why are they being asked or claim that they can change anything?
And to that point, why are any men that wish to stand up and assist, told to sit down and be quiet?

What I’ve been seeing a lot of, and it’s completely anecdotal without much data, is that if any of the serious problems that men face want to get addressed, they actually have to have women at the lead of them in order to get any traction. That seems strange to me given the narratives that are floating around out there.

**Niiro** · 2017-10-23 16:55

I fail to see how men being included in the movement detracts from the focus of sexual abuse by those in power.

The #allivesmatter comparison would only be apt if someone had started an opposing hashtag and narrative meant to detract from the #metoo movement, rather than merely wanting to be included.

**Zealot** · 2017-10-23 16:56

A lot of people don't understand why you have to specify and I think those people are very optimistic about how much change society is willing to admit it needs at once. It's not about choosing who gets heard, it's choosing the order in which it happens.

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**Darus Grey** · 2017-10-23 16:58

It's a depressing life lesson, but strategy does matter for goals like this. By trying to expand the umbrella you dilute the message, making it harder and harder for any of the components to achieve the original goal.(aka Zealot is correct, I wish I lived in a world where he wasn't, but he is).

**dasva** · 2017-10-23 16:58

Originally Posted by Niiro

I fail to see how men being included in the movement detracts from the focus of sexual abuse by those in power.

The #allivesmatter comparison would only be apt if someone had started an opposing hashtag and narrative meant to detract from the #metoo movement, rather than merely wanting to be included.

It takes away from the outrage

**Vandalhart** · 2017-10-23 17:00

Is that where the whole hierarchy of the “oppresion olympics” comes from? Because then I’m still a little confused. Why are straight white women, who as far as I can tell the largest demographic aside from straight white men, at the forefront of that list? If society only changes a little at a time, wouldn’t it make sense that the minorities listed behind this group be a higher priority?

I can’t speak for everyone, but I personally have the mindset of “Don’t be an asshole”. I try to treat everyone the same regardless of what group they belong to. I know people may not believe me, but that’s how I try to live my life.

I see everyone the same and let their actions show me who they are. It doesn’t matter what they are, it matters who they are. That seems fair to me.

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