Hollywood: Sexual assault whack-a-mole

[Ksandra]

I edited before you posted because I knew you were going to harp on that word and it doesn’t need to just be coerced imo.

Again, would you be ok if the next door neighbor was paying kids to kiss and film it?

[Ksandra]

It's not coercion if its a transaction as part of a job. If its acceptable for someone of a certain age to do something in their regular life, then its acceptable for them to do it as part of a job.

Many kids at 14-17 have sex in their regular life. Are you advocating it’s acceptable to have 14-17 year olds perform in pornos?

[Tyrath]

Many kids at 14-17 have sex in their regular life. Are you advocating it’s acceptable to have 14-17 year olds perform in pornos?

We as a society don't really consider that acceptable until they are 18 though. And after that, yeah we let them perform in porn.

[Ksandra]

We as a society don't really consider that acceptable until they are 18 though. And after that, yeah we let them perform in porn.

We as a society don’t really consider adults paying kids to kiss so they can film it acceptable either.

I’m not talking about 18+. They are adults then.

[Tyrath]

We as a society don’t really consider adults paying kids to kiss so they can film it acceptable either.

I mean we clearly do. You don't.

[Ksandra]

Again, would you be ok if the next door neighbor was paying kids to kiss and film it?

I mean we clearly do. You don't.

I think YOU might be ok with it(creepy), but I doubt society in general is.

[Tyrath]

I think YOU might be ok with it(creepy), but I doubt society in general is.

Random adults? No.

People involved in actual projects where the kids sign on with the consent of their parents and sign actual contracts for a full production? Yeah. There's a distinction there and if you can't see it I can't help you.

[Jaybar]

Are highschoolers not allowed to kiss in the Romeo and Juliet play? Or is it ok because they aren't getting paid.

[Yuri-G]

Again, would you be ok if the next door neighbor was paying kids to kiss and film it?

straw man
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noun: strawman
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an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

seriously. comparing your creepy neighbor filming kids kissing to an actual movie director doing the same is one of the most absurd strawmen I have seen on this board.

[Ksandra]

So if kid and parent signed off to have the kid have sex you would be ok with it?

[Tyrath]

So if kid and parent signed off to have the kid have sex you would be ok with it?

No because you missed the fucking point of whats acceptable by society argument.

Its acceptable for people to have sex after they are 18. So it's acceptable to have sex on video for money once you're 18. It's fine if two teens kiss each other. So in an actual professional setting it's fine for them to be getting paid to do it.

It'd be fucking weird if your creepy 50 year old neighbor tried to pay two 18 year olds to have sex on video too even if it's fine if they do it for an actual porn shoot.

[Ksandra]

Are highschoolers not allowed to kiss in the Romeo and Juliet play? Or is it ok because they aren't getting paid.

If two kids don’t want to kiss they shouldn’t be forced to. I don’t. We did Noises Off last year and two kids who were scripted to kiss were (are actually) boyfriend and girlfriend. Now, while they can’t seem to stop fucking trying to make our during class, they were too shy to kiss onstage. We didn’t make them, and they didn’t kiss. Big deal.

You can fake kiss, too. Which is what we have in this year’s show. And it’s a hell of a lot easier to do in film than stage.

If a hs director is threatening to lower a kid’s grade if they don’t kiss I have little doubt parents would flip their lids. So the difference is there no adult pressure to.

[Tyrath]

I agree, if they don't actually want to do it, they shouldn't be forced to. I don't buy your bullshit argument that someone who was paid to do it must've been coerced against their will.

[Ksandra]

I agree, if they don't actually want to do it, they shouldn't be forced to. I don't buy your bullshit argument that someone who was paid to do it must've been coerced against their will.

Her reaction to them telling her she was going to kiss was “No, we are not doing that.” Her recorded words. The convo should have stopped there and be left out of the script. It wasn’t even all that important to do. The fact that she back pedaled means they had to convince her it was ok, and that’s wrong.

[Tyrath]

Nope. That's just a normal first reaction from a 13 year old. Even in the video the kids are all laughing and joking about it. Her later clarifying there was no issue doesn't mean they forced her into it. You just wanna see conspiracy there.

[Ksandra]

Make up your mind, either you agree if they don’t want to do it they shouldn’t or you think it’s just “teenager nerves.” You can’t have it both ways. And no conspiracy when we have the video of her saying it.

You must believe Trump was just giving locker room talk since he said he was.

[Tyrath]

She gets to change her mind about wanting to do it after the initial reaction.

Or do you think people are locked into the very first thought that pops into their head about doing something they've never done before?

[Melena]

I love how Ksandra is trying to compare a stage kiss to someone’s first kiss. First, if a kiss is a simulated sex scene, I simulated losing my virginity then much sooner then I thought. Second, if two trained actors are swapping spit for a movie, unless there’s already something going on or they negotiate it before hand, there really isn’t a lot of spit swapping going on.

[Deftscythe]

How do you get that I think kids shouldn’t kiss with all I’ve said?

I think kids shouldn’t be persuaded by adults to kiss, which the reality is what Hollywood does.

[edit] changed coerced to persuaded to be more accurate.

Are you ever going to address the fact that the alleged victim here says that nothing happened or is that too inconvenient to your narrative?

[Ksandra]

Are you ever going to address the fact that the alleged victim here says that nothing happened or is that too inconvenient to your narrative?

You must believe Trump was just giving locker room talk since he said he was.

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