Hollywood: Sexual assault whack-a-mole

[Zealot]

Incelhead

[Zetanio]

If you fuck another redpiller because you hate womyn so much is it incelest?

Asking for a friend.

[Tokitoki]

Woman claims assault by Aziz Ansari, story involves a date they went on and she didn't like how aggressive things got when they started hooking up back at his place. Pretty big grey area on this one , reddit consensus is shes a lying whore, I doubt they'd say the same if it was Trump or someone though. Interesting online "people watching" if nothing else.

Just read about this. Article in The Atlantic seems to think that the accuser went overboard and turned the story into "revenge porn" rather than the story of a disappointing date with a celebrity.

It wasn't Aziz, it was RAAAAAAAANDYYYYY.

This made me chuckle.

[Day]

Just read about this. Article in The Atlantic seems to think that the accuser went overboard and turned the story into "revenge porn" rather than the story of a disappointing date with a celebrity.

Yeah I read that article. I think they went a little far there to be honest. While I mostly agree, there is a bit of a grey area there if her story is fully accurate. Something about this one just leaves a bad taste in my mouth because it seems he's getting quite the heavy defense based solely on who he is. I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like people were being this "objective" in previous cases. Some of the reddit comments regarding that Atlantic article are especially vitriolic towards the accuser.

[Tokitoki]

Yeah I think the article went in pretty hard on the accuser. I feel like it's an older lady saying "back in MY day," but I hold out some hope that the details of the date were exaggerated cause I like the guy's stuff.

I think this is the one accusation I've spent any time reading about.

[archibaldcrane]

Here's the Atlantic article in question (written by and from the perspective of a, uh, old woman)

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...ansari/550541/

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[TummieGaruda]

Yeah I read that article. I think they went a little far there to be honest. While I mostly agree, there is a bit of a grey area there if her story is fully accurate. Something about this one just leaves a bad taste in my mouth because it seems he's getting quite the heavy defense based solely on who he is. I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like people were being this "objective" in previous cases. Some of the reddit comments regarding that Atlantic article are especially vitriolic towards the accuser.

They are defending the shit out of Aziz on Reddit basically claiming that of she received oral and then blew him twice what non verbal clues are there. There definitely is more to this story and the article makes the accuser look bad...

[archibaldcrane]

And I don't have particularly good reason to doubt the woman's story, but Aziz would be entirely correct if he claimed "she was giving hella mixed messages".

The most resonant message in the Atlantic article was

Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous man’s girlfriend. He wasn’t interested.

The "I sucked his dick some, but he should have read my nonverbal cues better" argument is pretty thin gruel, given that he didn't like, ya know, use that as justification for raping her or something.

Tl;dr he should have treated her better instead of being a horny dumbass who wasn't particularly concerned with whether she was enthusiastically consenting, and she should have asserted for herself using, ya know, words.

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[Day]

Here's the Atlantic article in question (written by and from the perspective of a, uh, old woman)

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...ansari/550541/

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I mean wtf is this

I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that, on the basis of intersectionality and all that, they’d stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months.

[TummieGaruda]

Here's were the encounter was detailed. Also LOL "The Claw". Definitely comes off as super aggressive.

https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

[archibaldcrane]

I mean wtf is this

You get that she's ribbing "woke libs" a little here right?

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[Day]

I guess not

[6souls]

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42627922

Seagal accused of sexual assault by Rachel Grant (007: Die Another Day), Steven denies this happened, still hasn't responded to the allegation made in November.

[Eurell]

Aziz would be entirely correct if he claimed "she was giving hella mixed messages".

Good luck young Aziz

[TummieGaruda]

And I don't have particularly good reason to doubt the woman's story, but Aziz would be entirely correct if he claimed "she was giving hella mixed messages".

The most resonant message in the Atlantic article was



The "I sucked his dick some, but he should have read my nonverbal cues better" argument is pretty thin gruel, given that he didn't like, ya know, use that as justification for raping her or something.

Tl;dr he should have treated her better instead of being a horny dumbass who wasn't particularly concerned with whether she was enthusiastically consenting, and she should have asserted for herself using, ya know, words.

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Well in her words the non verbal cues was her not kissing back. Her verbal cue was when he asked where she wanted it, she said "Next Time" and after gathering herself in the bathroom she told him that she didn't want to be forced into doing something because she would end up hating him for it. He acknowledged that they needed to take things slow, asked her to chill on the sofa and then he pointed at his dick to signal to go down on him and she did and then he said something along the lines of "looks like you don't hate me now".

It just comes off as super aggressive on Aziz's part and there were some cues there that should have been fully acknowledged, but it sounds like Aziz was trying to crack away at the wall she put up, and she gave in a few times.

[Salodin]

Do you disagree that if a girl seems interested but not in the mood, but then a little later she willingly begins to give you oral that that might be a little bit of a grey area? There is no assault here soooo...whats the deal?

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[Deftscythe]

Here's were the encounter was detailed. Also LOL "The Claw". Definitely comes off as super aggressive.

https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

Reading this I kept thinking to myself "Why didn't she just leave?" She might have been relying on non-verbal cues but Ansari made it perfectly clear that there was exactly one thing he wanted from the evening and she knew that she wasn't interested in giving it to him.

[Andalusian girls]

Ansari also physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”

But the main thing was that he wouldn’t let her move away from him. She compared the path they cut across his apartment to a football play. “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”

Throughout the course of her short time in the apartment, she says she used verbal and non-verbal cues to indicate how uncomfortable and distressed she was. “Most of my discomfort was expressed in me pulling away and mumbling. I know that my hand stopped moving at some points,” she said. “I stopped moving my lips and turned cold.”

my uncle once imparted the wisdom words that you should never have sex with someone who isn't as eager to have sex as you are, and a girl stopping kissing, taking her hand away from your junk (that she wasn't stimulating of her own volition anyways), and getting up and walking away are all p clear indicators. even clearer is her telling him verbally he needs to slow down, and him taking that as a cue to wait a couple minutes then try the exact same behavior again.

i don't think Aziz did anything illegal, he behaved the way horny 18 year old frat boys across the country have always behaved, but that's indicative of the problem. it's a p clearcut instance of objectification, the woman stopped being a human with full agency and autonomy equal to his own and became solely a means to an end and her desires were quickly rendered insignificant, nothing more than obstacles to be overcome.

the saddest part of all this is how many men seem eager to engage in sex with wet noodle women who are not eager, not enthusiastic, seemingly not enjoying themselves; girls who seem resigned to giving in because they feel nervous or unsure or trapped. i dunno the kind of sex you guys are having but even for purely selfish reasons i'd rather go without than pressure the reluctant into something they don't really want to do. nothing more overrated than bad sex.

[archibaldcrane]

the saddest part of all this is how many men seem eager to engage in sex with wet noodle women who are not eager, not enthusiastic, seemingly not enjoying themselves; girls who seem resigned to giving in because they feel nervous or unsure or trapped. i dunno the kind of sex you guys are having but even for purely selfish reasons i'd rather go without than pressure the reluctant into something they don't really want to do. nothing more overrated than bad sex.

This was one of the hardest things for me regarding "believe women" - it's hard to wrap your head around the apparently limitless quantity of dudes who want to get their dick wet so badly that literally all other considerations (chiefly whether the woman is an active participant) goes out the window.

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[NynJa]

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