Spoiler Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Spoiler Thread (It's not canon anyways)

[Moss]

Go fuck yourself.

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[Zealot]

Yeah because this wasn't the 1:1 remake that Force Awakens was. They took the outline and major beats of Empire and then turned them in different directions.

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[Zealot]

The final battle even called it out when that soldier tastes the ground and goes "salt," like shouting "IT'S SALT YOU GUYS, NOT ICE, THIS IS DIFFERENT."

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[kuronosan]

I don't know why you're arguing with him. We literally spent a week on this same thing with the same people.

[Zealot]

Oh I missed that.

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[EternityEnd]

Spoiler: show

I also remember Empire, it was the second entry in its trilogy and all about how the main character from the first one had gone off to a remote world to find a Jedi Master in self-imposed exile for failing to prevent a student falling to the dark side which resulted in the slaughter of his order and eventual fall of the entire Republic. The main character finds the Jedi Master but he is reluctant to provide training, and even though he eventually agrees the MC has visions through the Force that make him go off to seek out the main villain before completing training over the warnings of the Jedi Master.

Meanwhile the Rebels go to a decadent city maintained by its close connection to the bad guys to seek out someone who can help them fight said bad guys. They find who they're looking for but he ends up betraying them. While all this is happening the bad guys pursue a Rebel craft through the galaxy.

The main character eventually does reach the main villain and after a fight the villain reveals a tragic truth about the main character's parentage, then offers that they overthrow the current order and join forces to rule the galaxy together. Eventually after a lightsaber fight starring Luke Skywalker all the main cast escapes on the Millennium Falcon.

Oh also during the course of the movie a rebel base on a primarily-white planet is destroyed by a bad guy attack and there are lots of giant long-legged walking robots.

But yeah, the plot of Last Jedi made no sense and was boring/stupid.

Man, that's as disingenuous as people who say TFA is shot-for-shot remake of ANH.

There's elements of TLJ that differentiate it from ESB, usually for the worse. Too many things that make zero sense, ignore or regress the world building from TFA, and generally appear to make it an unfitting sequel / middle act.

Perhaps the third one will come out and make it all fit into place, but considering Johnson's comments about how Disney didn't supervise him or give him any outline, and how he swept away all Abrams' setup, I don't see how it'll happen.

All TLJ setup was a plot similar to RotJ, except the Emperor's death occurred a movie early, which makes the main praise of it being a subversive movie setting up many new and interesting things... puzzling, at least to me. Plenty of concepts could've been actually subversive (Finn's sacrifice, grey force users, Rey/Kylo changing alignments, etc), but fell back on safe bets.

Not killing Snoke yet, and actually giving him and the First Order some semblance of backstory, would have differentiated the trilogy in better ways. One thing the prequels did right was fleshing out the Emperor.

[Anoat]

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When Zealot is inaugurated I hope his first speech begins with UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAHHHHHH

[Melena]

This pretty much sums up my opinion of this thread.

[Melena]

[Zealot]

That's funny, I had the opposite take on Snoke. Kylo killing him and becoming Supreme Leader was great because it actually puts the mantle of lead villain on the one that's the most fleshed out instead of some shadowy overlord. I also found it very subversive compared to the original because it made clear that there isn't going to be a redemption arc for Ren.

I also wouldn't rule out the I guess you said Grey Jedi? That looked to me like where they were going for awhile and it probably isn't over as far as a plot point goes.

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[Zealot]

When Zealot is inaugurated I hope his first speech begins with UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAHHHHHH

My plan is when I give my first speech I will walk out on stage to the Final Fantasy victory music.

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[Xno Kappa]

Greedow shot first.

Come at me nerds!

[Melena]

Greedow shot first.

Come at me nerds!

You're dead to me. That pussy bitch Han shot first and you know it.

[dasva]

Oh I missed that.

Can't even keep up with Star wars drama!?! Not winning any votes that way

[EternityEnd]

That's funny, I had the opposite take on Snoke. Kylo killing him and becoming Supreme Leader was great because it actually puts the mantle of lead villain on the one that's the most fleshed out instead of some shadowy overlord. I also found it very subversive compared to the original because it made clear that there isn't going to be a redemption arc for Ren.

I also wouldn't rule out the I guess you said Grey Jedi? That looked to me like where they were going for awhile and it probably isn't over as far as a plot point goes.

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Wouldn't care if Abrams hadn't clearly set Snoke up to be fairly intriguing, which the Emperor really wasn't in the OT. And Johnson made him visibly more powerful than Sidious or Vader.

If Johnson had made Kylo Ren earn his new position, instead of degrading what menace and force power he'd shown in TFA, I'd also have no issue with Snoke's death. He was supposed to be the leader of the Knights of Ren, who are also all masked, so it made little sense for Snoke to mock it and remove his homage to Vader/EU Sith Lords.

Grey force users have been hinted at recently in other stuff (Rebels), but this movie seems to have gone away from it, with Rey stealing away the Jedi texts to restart the order, and Kylo killing the one person who chided him for emulating the Sith. Yeah, that's boring and safe to me.

[Zealot]

Wouldn't care if Abrams hadn't clearly set Snoke up to be fairly intriguing, which the Emperor really wasn't in the OT. And Johnson made him visibly more powerful than Sidious or Vader.

If Johnson had made Kylo Ren earn his new position, instead of degrading what menace and force power he'd shown in TFA, I'd also have no issue with Snoke's death. He was supposed to be the leader of the Knights of Ren, who are also all masked, so it made little sense for Snoke to mock it and remove his homage to Vader/EU Sith Lords.

Grey force users have been hinted at recently in other stuff (Rebels), but this movie seems to have gone away from it, with Rey stealing away the Jedi texts to restart the order, and Kylo killing the one person who chided him for emulating the Sith. Yeah, that's boring and safe to me.

Did you miss Kylo's speech about ending the Sith and the Jedi and starting something new, and then shouting at Rey for still holding on to the old ways?

Also I don't know what you mean by degraded, Adam Driver was way more menacing here than he had been in the last one and Kylo felt stronger than ever to me.

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[Salodin]

Kylo was the best part of this for me. I didn't dislike any scene with him in it.

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[Moss]

Kylo was the best part of this for me. I didn't dislike any scene with him in it.

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We can sing kumbaya and all agree on kylo ren

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[EternityEnd]

Did you miss Kylo's speech about ending the Sith and the Jedi and starting something new, and then shouting at Rey for still holding on to the old ways?

Also I don't know what you mean by degraded, Adam Driver was way more menacing here than he had been in the last one and Kylo felt stronger than ever to me.

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Really? To each his own, I guess. In TFA, Kylo looked like Revan, and we saw him freeze blaster bolts and Rey herself, as well as hurl her fifty feet at a tree. In this one, he doesn't use the force at all outside of turning the lightsaber and tug-of-warring with Rey. Also, he says that to Rey to try to convince her, but failed, and took Snoke's mantle as Supreme Leader, so... not exactly grey?

As you said, Kylo Ren is now the Big Bad, and the movie ignored his position of authority in this elusive order of dark force users, in favor of emphasizing his teenage fragility by skype calling Rey.

It also killed Phasma after 5 minutes of screentime (again lol), and used every scene to de-fang Hux and turn him into the bumbling sidekick. So we're left with two antagonists who we can't take very seriously.

I like Adam Driver, and didn't dislike any of his scenes, but yeah. Didn't feel more menacing at all to me.

[Anoat]

Greedow shot first.

Come at me nerds!

You're dead to me. That pussy bitch Han shot first and you know it.

A 2012 interview with George Lucas revealed that the scene was originally done with Greedo shooting first--however because it was shot so close up, the pyrotechnic effects made it appear that Solo shot first. Lucas always intended for Greedo to shoot first.

HOWEVER

We in Disney canon now boys.

The newly released short stories compilation "Star Wars: From A Certain Point of View", contains 40 short stories about secondary characters from A New Hope. It's a pretty good read and IS canon.

The chapter that tells Greedo's story reveals that Greedo harbors deep resentment for Solo because--not joking--Solo once stole Greedo's girlfriend. Well, Greedo considered her his girlfriend, she actually did not reciprocate the feelings. Greedo's chapter comes to a close as he confronts Solo, and there is no inkling at all of Greedo firing his weapon. The last thing Greedo describes is a blinding flash of light and a deep feeling of injustice.

TL;DR--Lucas says Greedo shot first, Disney says Han shot first.