Loot Boxes are Gambling - Get fucked EA

[Fiye]

Because that is their God given right lmao. Who the fuck are you to tell people they cant enjoy the things they enjoy? Next you're gonna say we should ban DC movies cause they make superhero movies look bad compared to marvel movies. That is literally what you guys are talking about in regards to developers and the type of games they make. They have the freedom to make any game they want, and adults have the chance to support the product or not. The only problem is using tactics to entice minors to basically gamble, and as a society, we've agreed they shouldn't be the target of such tactics.

You guys are taking one thing that needs fixing and cranking it up to 11 because you dont feel catered to as a gamer anymore. That's not Congress's problem lol. You are most definitely not the target demographic for most new video games, and most publishers you used to love now have a new beau.

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Jesus christ the problem isn't about any specific game. The problem is the monitization method that relies upon bloated whales who can spend thousands upon thousands on dollars on a virtual product that'll probably make their progress vanish in a year when the eventual power creep sets in. (Or worse the game gets fucking deleted)

Not even the bill proposed is going to ban some underpaid chinese programmer from making match-3-clone 99.

[dasva]

Jesus christ the problem isn't about any specific game. The problem is the monitization method that relies upon bloated whales who can spend thousands upon thousands on dollars on a virtual product that'll probably make their progress vanish in a year when the eventual power creep sets in. (Or worse the game gets fucking deleted)

Also the fact that lets face it a lot of those whales really can't spend all that money and are just addicted. And it ruins their finances, chances at saving, their relationships etc just as much as going to the casino everyday. And then there is who it often causes the devs (or realistically the higher ups pulling the strings) to warp the game around trying to get more out of those addicts while not necessarily providing more even after everyone else has stopped spending

[Fiye]

Or to put it another way its not like any of these games with loot box mechanics disappeared from belgium.

[Salodin]

Jesus christ the problem isn't about any specific game. The problem is the monitization method that relies upon bloated whales who can spend thousands upon thousands on dollars on a virtual product that'll probably make their progress vanish in a year when the eventual power creep sets in. (Or worse the game gets fucking deleted)

Not even the bill proposed is going to ban some underpaid chinese programmer to make match-3-clone 99.

Thatisnotaproblem. Full stop.

You dont get to complain because you cant afford to play a game the way it was meant to be played. If you dont like it, play another game. You are literally conflating the problem of targeting minors with addiction practices with an adults constitutionally protected right to do whatever the fuck they want with their money. You think these gotcha mobile games were designed to by played for free? No, they were designed to have money spent on them regularly or you'll never advance to the upper tiers of end game/leaderboards.

Clearly you guys are all masochistic because you keep playing games you dont like when there are plenty of not-p2w games that check all these boxes off.

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[dasva]

Haha yeah the very same day of the announcement before it was even implemented so many people were asking for/theorycrafting how to circumvent

[Greatguardian]

Jesus christ the problem isn't about any specific game. The problem is the monitization method that relies upon bloated whales who can spend thousands upon thousands on dollars on a virtual product that'll probably make their progress vanish in a year when the eventual power creep sets in. (Or worse the game gets fucking deleted)

Not even the bill proposed is going to ban some underpaid chinese programmer from making match-3-clone 99.

People are choosing to spend money on these games. Just because there's an incentive to spend money (limited time sales exist in literally every form of commerce) doesn't mean people are being stripped of their ability to choose whether or not to spend money.

Instead of getting angry about the consumer choices other people make, focus on spending money on the things you want to spend it on.

[Salodin]

Also the fact that lets face it a lot of those whales really can't spend all that money and are just addicted. And it ruins their finances, chances at saving, their relationships etc just as much as going to the casino everyday. And then there is who it often causes the devs (or realistically the higher ups pulling the strings) to warp the game around trying to get more out of those addicts while not necessarily providing more even after everyone else has stopped spending

And it is that person's God given right to ruin their life over a video game. Hopefully they can get help for their addiction. Because that's the real problem isn't it? Not that devs make addicting games, but that people have no self control and use the rent money to speed up construction of their castle.

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[Greatguardian]

That's not necessarily true, people and their attention aren't infinite so by virtue of there being so many games whose design is to keep people's attention with gambling (or other predatory "bad" game design, but I think gambling is the only hill I'm willing to die on atm) the share of people's attention other, "good," games can get is decreased not proportional to how popular they are, but proportional to how powerful a psychologically exploitative game design can be

Look, fam. Let's be real here. If there was a big enough niche in the market for the games you want to play, someone somewhere would fill it. If it's not being done, it's because it's not possible to profit sufficiently in that space.

[Salodin]

Imagine wanting to introduce legislation to help curb gambling advertisements on minors, and your movement getting coopted cause a bunch of gamers got sick of casuals buying their way to the top of a leaderboard. Not that this is happening, but it's what yall are proposing lol.

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[dasva]

Thatisnotaproblem. Full stop.

You dont get to complain because you cant afford to play a game the way it was meant to be played. If you dont like it, play another game. You are literally conflating the problem of targeting minors with addiction practices with an adults constitutionally protected right to do whatever the fuck they want with their money. You think these gotcha mobile games were designed to by played for free? No, they were designed to have money spent on them regularly or you'll never advance to the upper tiers of end game/leaderboards.

Clearly you guys are all masochistic because you keep playing games you dont like when there are plenty of not-p2w games that check all these boxes off.

I somewhat agree with you on the whole not completely banning it. We already facing a ton of censorship in gaming as is and there definitely is an abundance of other games to play though studios are trying more and more to go for this cash grab . However I do think we need to legally recognize this fully as the gambling it is and regulations that go with it. Though might have to revisit what exactly those are since current interstate/online regulations are kind of a mess

And it is that person's God given right to ruin their life over a video game. Hopefully they can get help for their addiction. Because that's the real problem isn't it? Not that devs make addicting games, but that people have no self control and use the rent money to speed up construction of their castle.

I'm not saying it isn't but we also discourage or limit plenty of things that we still allow. You can still smoke yourself to death but they've changed a lot about how the business ran. Not saying we need a sin tax but keeping it away from children is a good first and things like putting money towards addiction treatment is as well

[Andalusian girls]

You dont get to complain because you cant afford to play a game the way it was meant to be played. If you dont like it, play another game. You are literally conflating the problem of targeting minors with addiction practices with an adults constitutionally protected right to do whatever the fuck they want with their money. You think these gotcha mobile games were designed to by played for free? No, they were designed to have money spent on them regularly or you'll never advance to the upper tiers of end game/leaderboards.

And it is that person's God given right to ruin their life over a video game. Hopefully they can get help for their addiction. Because that's the real problem isn't it? Not that devs make addicting games, but that people have no self control and use the rent money to speed up construction of their castle.

i always knew you had the heart of a conservative

[Fiye]

Imagine wanting to introduce legislation to help curb gambling advertisements on minors, and your movement getting coopted cause a bunch of gamers got sick of casuals buying their way to the top of a leaderboard. Not that this is happening, but it's what yall are proposing lol.

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Dude what the fuck. Building a fucking strawman argument and gaslighting it for all to fucking see.

[Zealot]

If gacha games cost like $2 for a chance at shit I'd probably still be playing but they're all like $50 for a chance at a good unit is where we value our completely ephemeral bullshit that could disappear tomorrow and that's a no from me dog.

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[Salodin]

i always knew you had the heart of a conservative

I was red until the reds started foaming at the mouth over a black president. But I was also young too, so maybe I was always blue and just didn't know it.

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[Andalusian girls]

in their defense

they really don't like black people

[Zealot]

I was red until the reds started foaming at the mouth over a black president. But I was also young too, so maybe I was always blue and just didn't know it.

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Sounds like you only wanted to be red until it was time to do some red shit.

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[dasva]

I was red until the reds started foaming at the mouth over a black president. But I was also young too, so maybe I was always blue and just didn't know it.

But you're supposed to change the other way. tbf an alarming amount of lefter leaning places are basically advocating for segregation and against interracial relationships nowadays. The vocal extremes on both sides should just fuck already

[Salodin]

But you're supposed to change the other way. tbf an alarming amount of lefter leaning places are basically advocating for segregation and against interracial relationships nowadays. The vocal extremes on both sides should just fuck already

I can get behind this cause often my dick gets the hardest for conservative chicks

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[fantasticdan]

the cards are all marked for the same value by the TCG company and it's individuals who willingly decide to buy/sell for more so technically it's not even rng.

Game publishers could make the same claim with randomized digital items thou; "We give the same value to all skins/characters/etc., and you are always receiving the same number of items with the same rarity distribution (like 1 'rare' skin per lootbox or something), so it's not really gambling." If one is arguing lootboxes and such shouldn't be sold to minors due to the psychological gambling aspect (rather than the cash value in a secondary market, to tie them into traditional gambling regulations), I think it would be difficult to argue physical trading cards don't land in the same boat.

[Gredival]

Whether or not this will fix anything, it's worth noting that the development of "free to play" with alternative monetization (and then the monetization in games that still have sticker prices) has been a negative for gaming writ large.