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  1. #521
    Bagel
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    Thank god. When are we getting the free tutorial relic draws anyway?

  2. #522
    Ridill
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    In around 3 months, give or take. The mission overhaul happened last December in JP.

  3. #523
    Pseudo-Elitist
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    The hell's up with the relm dungeon roaming warriors?

  4. #524
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athas View Post
    The hell's up with the relm dungeon roaming warriors?
    The list is now fixed based on the dungeon difficulty. You can't use your own RWs.

  5. #525
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    Ok but why thou.

  6. #526
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    Because people were blazing through using RWs that didn't make sense to use or weren't helpful.

  7. #527
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    Before the update I had been removing my RW entirely on anything sub 120 because I'd rather save them for some harder content. They jump to different options when you get to the D99 content. These include Shout and Sentinel. I haven't really paid much attention to anything else.

  8. #528
    Bagel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athas View Post
    Ok but why thou.
    To create challenge by removing gameplay!

  9. #529
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    It really was too easy to cheese through with soul break power creep, but the new RWs have no gear bonuses to mind or anything so they're really weak. More and more events are taking RWs out as well .

  10. #530
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    In JP, only events and abyss use RW still and they might soon remove RW from events (JP monthly report stated a special mid month report will be concerning events, though obviously could just be about their fest).

    Abyss will eventually get revamped and remove RWs as well.

  11. #531
    Bagel
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    Why are they removing a function of the game anyway? Is there literally any reason for the friendslist to exist after that point?

  12. #532
    BG Medical's Student of Medicine
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    I think dena is making a giant mistake

  13. #533
    Queen of the Pity Party
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    RW are instrumental in dampening the power creep effect on new players... I don't like this at all

  14. #534
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    At the end of the day, DeNA is a business. Being able to cheese events, dungeons, etc. with RW for effects you don't have (Cloud USB, astra effects, boost/hastegas, other random shit, etc) incentivizes people to pull less for relics they don't have, since they can get the effect as a RW. If you can't suddenly RW those any more, people may have to pull more to clear content. If anything it impacts newer and intermediate players moreso than people who are doing the top content.

    Dena wants that moolah at the end of the day, so can't really blame them. It should make the game less boring for new players doing realm dungeons as well, since you can't just RW OSB to instant clear everything.

  15. #535
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    Well they're putting in library of guidance to give new players a ton of new relics, so new players are going to be able to keep up with bursts. Beyond that, while I really like the RW system, they also caused some design problems. Like how OSB RWs destroyed most of the early nightmares' designs. Furthermore there's no way to guarantee that new players can reliably access good effects (runic comes to mind - very situationally powerful but not a lot of people are going to put it up until celes USB drops).

    And some stuff, like RW cloud usb, just drastically changes how the summoner functions, and not in a way that is healthy for power creep.

    So I think there's some value for limiting RWs. Not sure about removing them from everything but at least making things more predictable for how strong people will be in dungeons.

  16. #536
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    Wtf at today's log in screen, half naked Vaan caught me off guard for a second.

  17. #537
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    Yeah but if everything turns into the new Torments I really don't see this game lasting much longer. Events should stay as they are now with RWs.

  18. #538
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    Yeah I don't have a problem with the week to week time limited content using RWs. I don't think I"d want to see what a magicite would have to be designed like though if I could take cloud USB to them.

  19. #539
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    isn't crystal tower usually accompanied by 2x banners?

    I wanted something to pull... these "happy" banners are depressing with the dupes.

  20. #540
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    Yeah, not sure why they aren't here this time. Maybe they're coming later than usual.

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