115th United States Congress: Deuces Dropped

[kuronosan]

The issue is largely the unregulated nature of the chemicals used in the flavorings. I mean, you're essentially trading one chemical for another. It's like saying "hey I hear peroxide can kill you" and so you drink iodine instead.

Give it some time and it'll change, and people will find another substitute. Maybe they'll call it gleaming or some other shit.

[Salodin]

Dont feel too bad though, the vaping is more than likely better than smoking. Its not that it isnt harmful, but burning that tobacco is truly the worst.

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[Byrthnoth]

Where the fuck were you guys six months ago when I made this argument somewhere on here and people were like, "nope. Vaping is totes healthy"?

[Anoat]

That’s an unfortunate autocorrect

[kuronosan]

Dont feel too bad though, the vaping is more than likely better than smoking. Its not that it isnt harmful, but burning that tobacco is truly the worst.

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It actually isn't. You're trading one poison for another. It's not worse, but it definitely isn't better.

[Salodin]

Ehhh, you dont think the heat and tar from burning tobacco is not worse?

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[Melena]

I want to quit vaping. I smoked cigs for 15 yrs and got off them using a small ecig, since then Ive gone full vape nash over the past 5 years and am way more addicted to this thing than I ever was cigs. Will not be surprised at all that they also cause health problems.


Im not even a vape bro really just doing it so my wife doesn't have to smell cig smoke, the dudes blowin clouds in enclosed public spaces cringe me out.

Seriously, so long as you don't deal with severe depression, go on Chantix. 3 weeks on that and I've been smoke free now for about 15 months. Only time I get an urge to smoke is if I'm drinking heavily.

[Andalusian girls]

vaping is almost certainly less bad for you than smoking cigarettes and arguing otherwise is approaching levels of ridiculous. harmless? absolutely not. but UK Cancer Research did the first longitudinal study on the relative risks in 2017 and found vaping fractionally as harmful, perhaps as much as 95% safer. we'll need lifetime studies, of course, to see longterm health risks and the research ought be tempered by the knowledge different vape manufacturers use different materials so the toxicant/carcinogen levels cannot be consistently applied to all vaping activity. but their findings were endorsed by the Royal College of General Practitioners and the British Medical Association who, while adamantly opposed to non-smokers picking up vaping, now recommend smokers trying to quit to make the switch as part of harm management. the entirety of the UK medical establishment may be wrong, but there is a substantial and growing body of evidence that smoking combustible cigarettes remains uniquely bad for your health, and vaporizing is a preferable alternative.

Conclusion:
Former smokers with long-term e-cigarette–only or NRT-only use may obtain roughly similar levels of nicotine compared with smokers of combustible cigarettes only, but results varied. Long-term NRT-only and e-cigarette–only use, but not dual use of NRTs or e-cigarettes with combustible cigarettes, is associated with substantially reduced levels of measured carcinogens and toxins relative to smoking only combustible cigarettes.

http://annals.org/aim/article-abstra...ne-replacement

[Xno Kappa]

Can I still have a casual cigar?

[Andalusian girls]

you only live once you do you booboo.

putting carcinogenic smoke into your face is never going to be a health benefit, but from what i remember mortality rates for cigar smokers only see a statistically significant increase at the 1-2+ daily range. that said a familial history of cancer, underlying heart disease, high blood pressure etc can multiply that risk factor in a hurry.

[archibaldcrane]

vaping is almost certainly less bad for you than smoking cigarettes and arguing otherwise is approaching levels of ridiculous. harmless? absolutely not. but UK Cancer Research did the first longitudinal study on the relative risks in 2017 and found vaping fractionally as harmful, perhaps as much as 95% safer. we'll need lifetime studies, of course, to see longterm health risks and the research ought be tempered by the knowledge different vape manufacturers use different materials so the toxicant/carcinogen levels cannot be consistently applied to all vaping activity. but their findings were endorsed by the Royal College of General Practitioners and the British Medical Association who, while adamantly opposed to non-smokers picking up vaping, now recommend smokers trying to quit to make the switch as part of harm management. the entirety of the UK medical establishment may be wrong, but there is a substantial and growing body of evidence that smoking combustible cigarettes remain uniquely bad for your health, and vaporizing is a preferable alternative.

^

Cigarettes are really really fucking bad for you, it would be hard for vaping to be in any way comparable.

[Mertron]

smoked for like 18 years with a few breaks here and there. been using a blu ecig for the last three years (October first will be 3 years), feel infinitely better than i did while actually smoking

i used to use the ecig pretty frequently, now it sits in my car for when i rage at traffic (or same as above, when drinking heavily)

[Psion]

not to mention vaping apparently seems to be better than even nicotine patches or gum for helping smokers quit off nicotine entirely.

[Yabby]

I was a smoker for about 10+ years, about a pack a day. When i made the change to vapes, i felt amazing after only a few weeks. So from a personal standpoint, and how my body responded, vaping isn't anywhere near the same level as smoking a normal cig (Wife felt the same way). That said, i only vaped for about 6 months before quitting all smoking because i didn't need to anymore (slowly lowered the nic until i wasn't using anything, then just stopped). Been a good 3+ years without it, so it is hard for me to not like e-cigs, etc as it helped my wife and I stop smoking.

[6souls]

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/1...nsubstantiated

Ellison cleared in abuse claim. A leaked document of the investigation says his accuser's claims are unsubstantiated.

[Day]

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/1...nsubstantiated

Ellison cleared in abuse claim. A leaked document of the investigation says his accuser's claims are unsubstantiated.

Democrats looked into it, says he's cleared. This should make for some popcorn tweets.

An allegation standing alone is not necessarily sufficient to conclude that conduct occurred

who said it, lindsay graham or ellison lawyer

[Tyrath]

Must be the lawyer because if Graham said that he would be wrong about the "allegation standing alone" part.

[Zealot]

Democrats looked into it, says he's cleared. This should make for some popcorn tweets.



who said it, lindsay graham or ellison lawyer

It sounds like an investigation turned up nothing to substantiate the claim.

That being the case everyone accused falsely should welcome an investigation, no?

[Day]

we need the fbi to look into it i think

[Niiro]

In statement from DFL Party Chair Ken Martin, the investigative report on Ellison abuse allegations was "released today without our knowledge."

The party has forwarded the investigative materials on to local law enforcement to decide if "further investigation is warranted."

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