Street Fighter V AE: CHAMPION EDITION

[Deejay]

Dan, what the fuck are you going on about. SFV wouldn't have gotten the attention it did if SFIV wasn't a success. IV grew the scene exponentially, and it is now dwindling under V. The outside shit it irrelevant if no one wants to actually play the game.

[Deejay]

This fucking thread, lol.

Who are you actually talking to? Welt? I was one of the people defending V when it released because I thought Capcom would address the issues it had early on. 5 years later and we learned that V is exactly what Capcom intended it to be. Even today, everyone with a brain is hoping Capcom learned their lesson with V. This isn't about hating, and more about people just wanting SF6 to be good.

[Xno Kappa]

Just wanted to point out Krandor the only real one in here.

Just got home from picking it up, Holy Shit @ the opening sequence, how fucking epic.

[Spider-Dan]

"YOU don't want to play the game" != "no one wants to play the game"

The 2000 entrants that you consider a sad failure for SF5 is better than every year of Evo SF4 but one. I keep telling you that your group of SF4 players does not represent the health of the game.

[Deejay]

"YOU don't want to play the game" != "no one wants to play the game"

The 2000 entrants that you consider a sad failure for SF5 is better than every year of Evo SF4 but one. I keep telling you that your group of SF4 players does not represent the health of the game.

The fact that there are years on record where IV had more participants than V actually hurts your point about it being in a good state. IV took a dying FGC and multiplied it. V took IV's FGC and its slowly dwindling. V is not healthy for the community if less people are playing it. This has nothing to do with how I feel, but how the community as a whole feels.

[Lucavi]

Who are you actually talking to? Welt? I was one of the people defending V when it released because I thought Capcom would address the issues it had early on. 5 years later and we learned that V is exactly what Capcom intended it to be. Even today, everyone with a brain is hoping Capcom learned their lesson with V. This isn't about hating, and more about people just wanting SF6 to be good.

The problem isn't the (admittedly foolish) hope (hope is what gets companies like EA and Activision their fucking profits) that SF6 will be good. Its the hilarious disagreement on what constitutes "good". Look at the opinions in here. No matter WHAT 6 is, it will be hated by a bunch of tribalistic fucks that can't get over their 14-year-old selves. Chances are the game will be another "live service" lagfest that is designed from the ground up to prop up a dying physical arcade scene in Japan and fuck the rest of the world, so yeah, there's a very good chance that it will blow outside of a now-niche audience.

I'll come back to Street Fighter as a series when it either:

A) Stops marketing specifically to Japan's arcade scene, or
B) Gives the rest of the world a discount on the price because it runs sub-optimally for everyone else not living in Japan, because the game was never designed to work well outside of it.

Nationalistic fucks.


Edit: That Welt is allergic to kicking within the goalposts without moving them all over the place is more hilarious than anything. I love that idiot.

[Xno Kappa]

The fact that there are years on record where IV had more participants than V actually hurts your point about it being in a good state. IV took a dying FGC and multiplied it. V took IV's FGC and its slowly dwindling. V is not healthy for the community if less people are playing it. This has nothing to do with how I feel, but how the community as a whole feels.

To be fair that’s a pretty simplistic view of it. SFIV had the perfect storm behind it when it was released. A thirst for a mainstream fighting game, expansion of online functionality to the masses, and the advent of streaming.

By the time SFV released all of that was a dime a dozen with a ton of other options available.

[Krandor]

Just wanted to point out Krandor the only real one in here.

Cheesy pop music warms my soul

[Lucavi]

Even if IV came out when V did, there still would have been better fighting games around.

I will always give IV credit, though, for reviving a genre that was on life-support. Just hilarious that Capcom tried to go full greed-mode with Live Service bullshit for V. They should have just made a JP mobile game, slapped some chun-li bikinis in there and raked in the profit.

Stupid fucks.

[Weltall]

This thread is a dumpster fire. Come 6, you'll be saying the same shit because it isn't 3rd Strike. The amount of goalpost moving is hilarious. The amount of "yeah I was wrong about 4 but its okay because I was right about V", as if ANYONE thought V wouldn't be hot trash given that every game Capcom put out in that era that wasn't RE7 was hot trash is hilarious.

You think that because you got one right on V that it eliminates all the WRONG you were about IV? Absolutely absurd. A bunch of circle jerking and goalpost-punting feel-good nonsense, piling up against a game that came from one of the shittiest periods of Capcom's history. Wow. Excellent job.

A broken fucking clock is right twice a day. Lets go back to how many times you were wrong? How many times you'll BE wrong because you can't stop sucking 3rd Strike's dick because you were a teenager back then and it represents the best period in your life?

This fucking thread, lol.

Who are you even talking to? I'm so confused lol. I played 4 like literally 80,000% more than I played 3. I think 4 is far better than 3 and have since not that far into 4's lifespan lmao.

[Weltall]

SFV is for people that were somehow bad at FFXIV.

[Lucavi]

Who are you even talking to? I'm so confused lol. I played 4 like literally 80,000% more than I played 3. I think 4 is far better than 3 and have since not that far into 4's lifespan lmao.

What was that, flip-flopper? I couldn't hear you over the memory of you dumping on 4 when it launched for not being 3.

Forgive me.

[Xno Kappa]

SFV is for people that were somehow bad at FFXIV.

God damn it lmao.

[Weltall]

What was that, flip-flopper? I couldn't hear you over the memory of you dumping on 4 when it launched for not being 3.

Forgive me.

Oh noes, I changed my mind very soon after SF4 started to develop, oh noes.

I hope SF6 is awesome and nothing like SF3. I REALLY hope its nothing like SF5. People need a reason to pick up the sticks again and I doubt GG does it for most or for long.

[Moridam]

old guy checking in here, SF4 is still my favorite in the series and i started with SF2 WW in the hampton beach arcades in '91? '92? idk, it was a long ass time ago. anyway, don't enjoy playing 3 all that much but high level play is fun to watch at least, which is an aspect of V that to me is sorely missing.

[Lokus]

What the fuck are you on about Lucavi? Lolwat... SFV was the first SF to be completely removed from the arcades until Season 3 when an arcade version finally released and yet the console/PC was still the main focus. Not to mention the live service shit is infinitely better than having to buy a brand new version every other year.

And as far as the FGC is concerned, least up until covid wrecked shit, it's not dying but moreso people are spread out in more games instead of coalescing on like 2 games like during SFIV/UMvC3 era.

Welt was still shitting on SFIV even into Super btw lol. That seemed to be the turning point a couple months after that.

[Deejay]

Core A Gaming had a lovely analysis on why SFV is trash. I love to revisit it every so often just for the luls

https://youtu.be/iSgA_nK_w3A


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[Weltall]

God damn, I clicked on that, hit a random timestamp, and saw Combofiend. What happened to that cat? SFV killed the man. Hope he found a better gig.

Edit: Floe spitting hard truth in that vid lmao. I can remember jumping out of bed to the damn ceiling over some SF4 comebacks. SFV is like...ok, and? Not a single thing in that game is impressive.

[Spider-Dan]

That video is so stupid. It's the type of video you would expect from someone who hasn't ever actually played the games in question.

Let's look at his hand-picked example: moment #37. Daigo had AT LEAST 7 failed parry attempts before Justin actually did his super. In SF5, you get one wrong guess and you're done.

Seriously, is there anyone who has played SF3 and SF5 who thinks parries are easier to use in 5? That video is click bait for 5 haters and filthy casuals.

I'd also like to note that for all the talk about easy brain-dead links in 5, you never seem to hear anything about the decision to make reversals easy enough for a toddler to perform in 4. Talk about reducing the skill gap!

[Mrbeansman]

The problem isn't the (admittedly foolish) hope (hope is what gets companies like EA and Activision their fucking profits) that SF6 will be good. Its the hilarious disagreement on what constitutes "good". Look at the opinions in here. No matter WHAT 6 is, it will be hated by a bunch of tribalistic fucks that can't get over their 14-year-old selves. Chances are the game will be another "live service" lagfest that is designed from the ground up to prop up a dying physical arcade scene in Japan and fuck the rest of the world, so yeah, there's a very good chance that it will blow outside of a now-niche audience.

I'll come back to Street Fighter as a series when it either:

A) Stops marketing specifically to Japan's arcade scene, or
B) Gives the rest of the world a discount on the price because it runs sub-optimally for everyone else not living in Japan, because the game was never designed to work well outside of it.

Nationalistic fucks.


Edit: That Welt is allergic to kicking within the goalposts without moving them all over the place is more hilarious than anything. I love that idiot.

You're opinions of jp fighting devs are a fucking dumpster fire. How do you fucking ignore the lat 18 months of jp devs jumping on rollback or MvCI basically fixing all of the problems with Vs netcode?

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