2018 NFL Off-season & Draft Thread: Big Dick Nick

[Abandon]

100% dependent on his health, though

[Mertron]

cooks got knocked the fuck out in the last game he played in.

obj will be fine

[Deejay]

The NBA contract is literally the main reason why ESPN has had to fire countless employees over the last 24 months (the other hiring racist idiots who bring politics into Sports TV daily). No one gives 2 shits about the NBA because the product is AWFUL.

Wow - I can't believe it took me this long to realize that you live in the bible belt

[Mertron]

no one mentioned leveon bell yesterday, but he turned down a 5 year 70 mil contract yesterday

today it was released that it was because only $10mil was guaranteed (the signing bonus)

[Moss]

Yeah people need to get used to looking at guarantees since the years/total mean almost nothing. Really the long term deals are better for the teams because if you overperform you're locked in, underperform and they cut you with relatively light cap penalties, depending on the contract

This dumb Steelers fan I know was all "this idiot turned down 5/70m! I hope he sucks after next year."

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[tyven]

parents dont let your kids grow up to be running backs

[archibaldcrane]

Makes sense to just take the franchise tag then obviously.

[Moss]

NFLPA should negotiate shorter rookie deals for RBs or something in the next CBA, they get fucking screwed by the current system. Once that rookie contract is over, their value is largely expired as well

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[Xno Kappa]

Just feels like the NFLPA in general fucking suck compared to their MLB/NBA counter parts. The players always seem to be getting screwed in the most lucrative sport in the country. Don’t know shit about the NHL.

[Weltall]

Wow - I can't believe it took me this long to realize that you live in the bible belt

Yeah, but I'm 100% atheist lol. ESPN has been hemorrhaging $ and employees for a long time. Their subscribers/viewers are down month over month, and they have signed ridiculously bad contracts. Just yesterday, SportsCenter had 112,000 viewers and the exact same time, Fancy Nancy had 967,000. If they were owned by anyone but Disney, even more talent would have been let go.

The NFL payout went up this year because of their contract structure, which wasn't signed last year. The NFL missed TV revenue projections by $588 million in 2017.

[Weltall]

Just feels like the NFLPA in general fucking suck compared to their MLB/NBA counter parts. The players always seem to be getting screwed in the most lucrative sport in the country. Don’t know shit about the NHL.

What leverage do they have? It would take medium~old aged players to sit out an entire year (or more, with the owners knowing how much power they have) and forfeit millions of dollars to move the needle their direction. These players won't do that because by the times things are settled, a majority of them won't be getting another large contract and would just be losing money.

Also, the second you have to give shorter contracts to drafted RBs, then RBs will just fall back down the board again.

The fans shouldn't want this anyway because this is part of what keeps the NFL so competitive and balanced. Teams have the ability to turn it around, in only a single season, and a big part of that is being able to straight cut older or under-performing players, and not have to keep their contract on the books, outside of short cap hits.

[Moss]

Also, the second you have to give shorter contracts to drafted RBs, then RBs will just fall back down the board again.

if you're a player you make that trade-off every time. It's all about the second contract. The Saquon Barkleys and Todd Gurleys, the guys hurt most by the current rookie contracts, wouldn't be dropping far in the draft anyway.

The fans shouldn't want this anyway because this is part of what keeps the NFL so competitive and balanced. Teams have the ability to turn it around, in only a single season, and a big part of that is being able to straight cut older or under-performing players, and not have to keep their contract on the books, outside of short cap hits.

You can keep this and still have the owners forced to pay some or all of the money they owe to the cut players without having it all count as a cap penalty. There are many options that would be preferable to the current system which is really unfair to the players.

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[Mertron]

looks like antonio brown will be on the cover of madden 19

[Xno Kappa]

is the madden curse still a thing?

[Weltall]

if you're a player you make that trade-off every time. It's all about the second contract. The Saquon Barkleys and Todd Gurleys, the guys hurt most by the current rookie contracts, wouldn't be dropping far in the draft anyway.



You can keep this and still have the owners forced to pay some or all of the money they owe to the cut players without having it all count as a cap penalty. There are many options that would be preferable to the current system which is really unfair to the players.

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Removing cap penalties, or drastically reducing them, would be a terrible decision and won't happen. NFL players don't have to make NBA/MLB money.

[Moss]

Removing cap penalties, or drastically reducing them, would be a terrible decision and won't happen. NFL players don't have to make NBA/MLB money.

"without having it all count" does not equal "removing or drastically reducing." Strawman.

I don't know what the second statement is relevant to. Of course they don't, they are more fungible. The topic was how to address the early peak and short career of NFL RBs and how they are disproportionately hurt by rookie contracts.

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[Weltall]

Because there is no way in bloody hell that the owners would "pay some or all of the money they owe" without a drastic cap trade-off, which isn't happening.

[Cail]

Cardinals suspended GM Steve Keim for five weeks and fined him $200,000 for pleading guilty to extreme DUI.

[Moss]

Because there is no way in bloody hell that the owners would "pay some or all of the money they owe" without a drastic cap trade-off, which isn't happening.

What do you mean "without a drastic cap trade off"? You're saying they would only pay if all of the cap penalties were wiped?

I mean yeah, that's what they would want, but it's a negotiation and I'm speaking from the players perspective. Obviously the owners wouldn't be jumping for joy at these ideas. The nonguaranteed contract status quo is awesome for them.

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[Melena]

is the madden curse still a thing?

Yup. It's been better the last few years, but here's a good breakdown of previous years based on how well they performed their cover year from best performances to Michael Vick's broken fibula in the pre-season killing his entire year.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/galler...ns-2018-051217