Spider-Man 2: Far From Home (July 5, 2019)

[Dantrag]

I like to try and be positive.

But...why?

[Souj]

Cause y'all fuckers need some balancing out.

[Anoat]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[Headspace]

Damn business protecting their own interests. Wild.

[kuronosan]

Damn business protecting their own interests. Wild.

Damn business that was one bad movie away from losing their property because they can't manage it wanting to ride the coattails of the most successful franchise in history continuing to score maximum profit from said franchise with their inferior bullshit.

Nah, fuck Sony. 50/50 is a bit much from a "business standpoint" but Sony is still collecting money from doing nothing and if they were invested in their property 50% of $1b movies managed by another company is fucking bank.

They're in the wrong. Period. Their movies are fucking garbage and always will be.

[Headspace]

They're in the wrong. Period. Their movies are fucking garbage and always will be.

Spider verse was better than anything the MCUs managed to put out and MCU quality isnt gonna get any better from here on.

[Zealot]

Disagree, Eternals has potential to be unlike anything we've seen so far, and 4hor is gonna be tremendous.

Anyway, I doubt Disney is going to walk away from the table on Spider-Man. Sony has the leverage here, Disney is hoping fan outrage will turn the tables. Spider-Man didn't have any movies upcoming for the next 2 years though, so there's no reason to think a deal won't be reached before it starts to affect the MCU.

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[vagus]

Spider verse was better than anything the MCUs managed to put out and MCU quality isnt gonna get any better from here on.

And the Venom was the anti-hero movie right?

Sony is under estimating the power of the Disney machine. If Sony truly cared to keep this working franchise, they could have continued to negotiate. The numbers game isn’t all of it. There is more to this.

I am hoping the fan outrage will make both sides reevaluate and continue to try to sort out a deal.


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[Malithar]

On your left was not in the Captain America origin movie, but "I can do this all day" was

Eh, was thinking of it as Falcon's origin, but good call on "I can do this all day."

Anyway, I doubt Disney is going to walk away from the table on Spider-Man. Sony has the leverage here, Disney is hoping fan outrage will turn the tables.

Sleeping on it, this is my take now.

[Tyrath]

Spider verse was better than anything the MCUs managed to put out and MCU quality isnt gonna get any better from here on.

They managed to not fuck up one of them. I'm not convinced it translates to their live action outings. There was probably way less corporate meddling in Spiderverse because it costs less and is animated.

[Melena]

I mean.. I think FFH was probably the last we're going to hear about the snap/blip in the MCU for the most part.

Taking away snap/blip, here's a quick list of things that have been in the last two movies that would have to be retconned or completely ignored.

Parker's spider suit as it's built on Stark's Nano Tech
Tony Stark/Iron Man
Captain Marvel
Any of the other Avengers
Vulture's motivation and Tech
Mysterio's motivation and Tech
Nick Fury
Skrull's
Happy, and his continued ark with Aunt May would have to be completely dropped.

That's just off the top of my head when i'm hopped up on allergy meds. I'm sure there's a ton of other shit i'm missing as well that would have to be completely overlooked/ignored/changed just to avoid infringing on MCU.

[Kyte]

Yeah, I think the production process of Spider-verse was far different than anything we'd see from live-action.

If anything, the fact that Sony can continue to make animated films is an even stronger argument for why Disney should have the live action rights, as Sony can continue to make mountains of monies from that while still silently profiting from the MCU. Venom was enjoyable but also served as evidence for why they still aren't any good at live action superhero movies.

[Fiendishone]

I'd say give it time.

The internet blew up when Disney dropped James Gunn. Then after "careful consideration" they brought him back.

Who's to say same thing won't happen here and Sony changes their mind? (Besides Sony of course).

[Souj]

Taking away snap/blip, here's a quick list of things that have been in the last two movies that would have to be retconned or completely ignored.

Parker's spider suit as it's built on Stark's Nano Tech:

Already done in the last act of FFH. Yeah, it's made from Stark tech, but there was no AI voice like in the other iterations and no Iron Spider metallic look and definitely nothing was nano about it.

Tony Stark/Iron Man

Iron Man's done with. I'm guessing even in the MCU his presence will be negligible. Sure, theyll definitely be nods and name drops, but they'll be moving on, not dredging in the past. FFH was the closure of the whole arc from IM1 to now. The film wrapped up with Peter realizing he doesn't have to worry about people thinking he's going to be the next "Iron Man" because he realized he is NOT Iron Man. Yes, he was a father figure and mentor to him, but not every film needs that explicit connection. They could even bring in Uncle Ben stuff if they really wanted to.

Captain Marvel

That time when Captain Marvel said "Hi, Peter."? That's the only interaction that's had with each other.

Any of the other Avengers
Nick Fury
Skrull's

Dealt with the same way all the other MCU movies dealt with why there weren't any other Avengers in them. The comics exist in a universe where there seems like there's more super heroes/mutants than there are normal people and yet they continue to have stand alone stories. Keep the stories small and personal, like all good Spiderman stories and the situation won't even come up.

Vulture's motivation and Tech
Mysterio's motivation and Tech

I've already brought this up and I don't see how this would be any sort of problem to deal with unless there's a situation where the Vulture's robbing a bank and the security guard is pointing a gun at him and says "Drop your weapon! Also, please casually tell me who you are, and how originally came to be put on this path of villany, because your current motivations are far less interesting than the backstory some theoretical audiences who already knows and watched a movie on it has seen and knows!"

Happy, and his continued ark with Aunt May would have to be completely dropped.

Seemed like they already pretty much wrapped this up, too at the end.



Some of ya'll making this way more complicated than it needs to be.

[NynJa]

This dude either works for Sony or hes hopped up on something.

I cant think of anything else.

[synistar]

Yeah, I think the production process of Spider-verse was far different than anything we'd see from live-action.

If anything, the fact that Sony can continue to make animated films is an even stronger argument for why Disney should have the live action rights, as Sony can continue to make mountains of monies from that while still silently profiting from the MCU. Venom was enjoyable but also served as evidence for why they still aren't any good at live action superhero movies.

I believe Sony Pictures Animation is its own beast away from a lot of the executive BS from Sony proper like you're inferring. A quick look into what the studio spat out shows they have had strong plate of nominations consistently year over year at the Annie Awards.

[Melena]

Already done in the last act of FFH. Yeah, it's made from Stark tech, but there was no AI voice like in the other iterations and no Iron Spider metallic look and definitely nothing was nano about it.



Iron Man's done with. I'm guessing even in the MCU his presence will be negligible. Sure, theyll definitely be nods and name drops, but they'll be moving on, not dredging in the past. FFH was the closure of the whole arc from IM1 to now. The film wrapped up with Peter realizing he doesn't have to worry about people thinking he's going to be the next "Iron Man" because he realized he is NOT Iron Man. Yes, he was a father figure and mentor to him, but not every film needs that explicit connection. They could even bring in Uncle Ben stuff if they really wanted to.


That time when Captain Marvel said "Hi, Peter."? That's the only interaction that's had with each other.


Dealt with the same way all the other MCU movies dealt with why there weren't any other Avengers in them. The comics exist in a universe where there seems like there's more super heroes/mutants than there are normal people and yet they continue to have stand alone stories. Keep the stories small and personal, like all good Spiderman stories and the situation won't even come up.


I've already brought this up and I don't see how this would be any sort of problem to deal with unless there's a situation where the Vulture's robbing a bank and the security guard is pointing a gun at him and says "Drop your weapon! Also, please casually tell me who you are, and how originally came to be put on this path of villany, because your current motivations are far less interesting than the backstory some theoretical audiences who already knows and watched a movie on it has seen and knows!"


Seemed like they already pretty much wrapped this up, too at the end.



Some of ya'll making this way more complicated than it needs to be.

I mean there's the whole plot point of Parker now BEING IN CHARGE OF STARK INDUSTRIES. His damn suit in the final act of FFH was NANOTECH MADE ON STARK'S PERSONAL JET. I mean are we supposed to go into whatever the fuck they call the third one assuming DisMarvel is out and when/if Vulture or Mysterio appear, they are just going to completely forget about their exact reasons for going bad, both of which were 100% THIS IS STARKS FAULT WE ARE THIS WAY.

It's not even a case of over thinking, you are outright having to fucking change everything set in motion in the last two movies, plus you know the whole end credits of how they framed Spider-Man for Mysterio's "death" and outed him.

[Souj]

Leaving the rest alone because we won't meet eye to eye on it, and that's fine. but this;

I mean there's the whole plot point of Parker now BEING IN CHARGE OF STARK INDUSTRIES.

Huh?

[Melena]

Leaving the rest alone because we won't meet eye to eye on it, and that's fine. but this;


Huh?

Stark gave him the glasses, the note was he's essentially Tony now. Mysterio and all the former Stark employee's working for him are pissed that Tony left Peter in charge on that end.

[Tyrath]